I was imagining that as a minigame on SF4 online.
Round starts Char’s are next to each other, countdown - 3, 2, 1…
Shoryu vs block, block wins.
Round 2 Throw vs shoryu, shoryu wins.
If this was made real I think SF4 would become the side game. This would be the most balanced game ever.
Agreed!
FPS’s are just easier to watch and the strategy is easier to grasp by the general populous.
It’s easy to recognize why people would be laying down cover fire for a teammate while they infiltrate a base.
It’s easy to see that someone threw a grenade to flush out an enemy that was hiding behind something.
The strategy is just a bit more obvious and of course, explosions and guns and all that violence is just appealing to human nature. They are just very easy to watch and be entertained by.
Halo fucking sucks. Way to completely rip off Tribes
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amen … fps with a controller are just wrong
now …I dont see how its a rip off of tribes? I havent played much halo so…
(btw they are working on a web base tribe 1 game (quake live style).
I throw my controller a lot. Does that count???
I have mentioned my beefs in other threads. In fighting games, you can have one character be overpowered vs others (Ryu/Sagat in SFIV for instance, or Eyedol from Killer Instinct, Sub-Zero/Scorpion in the MK series, etc). In a FPS, there is no better character, just better players. Sure, that exists to an extent in street fighting games, but not on the same level. You can watch Halo 3 on tv because it’s somewhat different all the time. How many times could you honestly watch Ryu vs Sagat on tv???
Add to that the wierd complexities of Street Fighter games in general (for instance many people who have watched me play have asked why I don’t attack the guy when I knock him down, then after I explain why, they just sit there confused). Also I know of many many many people who just can’t get controller movements down. It’s easier for them to aim a gun and shoot then QCF+P
It was the suits and all the vehicles that really did it for me. It looked similar, very similar, to me when Halo 1 came out. After playing it for a bit and realizing that level 1 was the same as level 99, same place, same bad guys… I dunno. The game seems extremely unispired. Maybe that’s why it’s on the Xbox… booya!!! LOL
There are weapon tiers in FPS’s.
Niche markets…
Evo does need more love, that’s for sure. Competitive fighting game circuit certainly has boosted a bit since SF4, and something like G4 should try to cover it with at least a 30min segment of “the best moments” type of thing with them saying “if you want full coverage, check out our website at …” ESPN has bigger fish to fry, so to speak.
Yes, SF4 is big, Evo had a grip of people there in-person, there were lots of streaming viewers, and youtube is packed with footage now. BUT, it’s no where near as big as the now-defunct, but maybe coming back, CPL - Cyberathlete Professional League. CPL actually had coverage on G4 and I believe a bigger coin purse for the prizes than Evo or any other fighting game tourney has had yet. The games covered? For 1v1, Quake 3. For teams, Counter-Strike.
Quake 3 was used for MANY years for the 1v1 battles, much in the same vein as why Super Turbo has been around for so many years. Q3 honestly hasn’t been topped in the Deathmatch area in terms of balance and quality. Super Turbo has been regarded as very much the same, up until SF4’s release - SF3 3S just didn’t have the same following, you ALL know that.
Counter-Strike may have been replaced by CoD4 as the team game to compete in. If there’s a big FPS tourney, you can bet one or both will be there.
How can Evo get bigger? Capcom may need to get more involved. They’d have to get MORE SF4 copies into people’s homes. More people have to get joysticks. More people + more interest = more SPONSER interest. If you say that $50-100k is on the line for a SF4 tourney win, you can bet there would be more mainstream interest in the game. Look at what it did for the Quake 3 champion Johnathan “Fatal1ty” Wendel. The guy has pulled in more than $100k in a single year from tourney wins. There was a ton of coverage in the mainstream gaming sites for this. If next year’s Evo said “$50,000 for the winner of the grand tournament”, how many more people would show up and pay attention?
OR, we can keep this a little niche game without a bunch of mainstream people coming in asking stupid shit like “why is this fun?”
i 100% agree. but you don’t get to pick what weapon you start the game with.
Imagine if Halo was setup so one guy would start with a rocket launcher if he chose to, and another would start with a shotgun if he chose to.
Yes, the shotgun guy would get some kills in, but for the most part, the rocket guy would probably win a lot more. So how long would people keep picking shotgun? Not very long. You’d have everybody using Rockets ftw.
Same shit with SF. You have probably 80-90 percent of the people out there all using Sagat and Ryu, with the rest using a few other characters.
IMHO, that is the most serious flaw of Street Fighter. If you wanted to see if become ultimately competitive, and/or even televised, you would have to actually have the characters become equal, or at least as equal as possible. The fact you have multiple tiers for the various characters is a weakness.
This couldn’t be more true. The first time I played Halo I said to myself that it was just a dumbed down version of tribes(1+2 not that terrible vengeance game). Seriously, its a joke that anyone has ever treated halo as a competitive game.
While I think fighting games are the best medium for competitive gaming at the moment, I still think the best competitive scene was during the prime days of Counter-Strike(1 - 1.6). Team strategy in that just has a whole element missing from today’s games, and the [team]FPS community is too split right now to agree on a successor. So… unfortunately the Genre isn’t nearly as successful as it once was. :sad:
That being said, I never personally thought that deathmatch-oriented first person shooters were very fun to compete in.
Whats all the hate on Halo for? Im pretty sure its the most popular VG in the pro gaming community in the US thanks to MLG. And I also dont understand why everyone hates MLG in general. If SF4 was apart of MLG, the popularity for that game would SKYROCKET and it would be really good for the community.
Whoever calls competitive gaming a “sport” needs to be slapped in the face.
Team sport are the most popular on the planet(soccer,hockey,baseball,football,basket,etc) for a very good reason: the workload is shared between each team member so you can have a lot of match during a season.A mma fighter or boxer will have 4-5(they rotate between each ppv) fight per year while you can watch well over 160 games of your favorite baseball team.
Team sport also has the advantage of producing a lot of elite players thanks to gigantic pool of talent,so you can split them between 20-30 team and surround them with plenty of role player who will have their 15 minutes of glory during a season.In individual sport,the very good athlete is a nobody and thus people will only watch the elite of the elite like Tiger wood or Usain Bolt or Federer/Nadal.
SF IV is more akin to MMA or boxing than the NFL/MLB/NBA or the NHL for us canadians. :shy: That’s not really a bad thing,as UFC is more than viable and I agree with Justin when he say that competitive videogame could really get over with more “entertainment” like trash talking and rivalries.It would just be like in boxing,where the athletes will trash talk before a fight to generate hype and interest before a big fight.
Peaople still play tribes 2 (its the classic version rthese days, a lot better than the original slow as t2, t2 now is like t1 but better), its free now, check here: http://www.tribesnext.com/ if you’re interested. At least one server is always populated pretty much. Best fps eva!
I admit i know nothing of CoD and Halo on the competitive scene, but I assume they are played console? and hence GamePad? (I know CoD is out for PC and Halo 2 is too, maybe 3 im not sure). But anyway, assuming i am right, and the Halo and CoD comps are played on console…
This means they are played on pad…and trust me the benefit of Mouse and Keyboard over Pad on FPS is a million times greater than the beneifit of stick over pad in fighting games. I mean, its not even in the same league. Im confident that with a mouse and keyboard on an FPS i will own 99% of pad players (only losing to freakishly good ones) and im not even uber at FPS, just proficient. its simply mechanics, mouse w/ WASD is faster.
So i guess what he is saying is that when you talk down FPS and talk about Halo on console, all the CS and Quake players are like, wtf, that sh1t aint even FPS…
anyway, as i said i might be wrong, but i would put serious cash on the fact that the thought of playing FPS on pad insults serious Keyboard and Mouse players.
and to repeat…if these comps are played on PC with mouse and keyboard then my point is invalid and I withdraw, no need for the nobody to attack from behind their keyboard
yeah, I feel insulted just thinking about it
Welcome to competitive gaming?
Nearly any game can be considered a sport when put together correctly. However, not all of them are fun to watch. >.<
My personal favorites have always been FPS games. With proper commentary and some knowledge of the game, it becomes an epic chess match. With guns. These are divided into two groups: team and deathmatch. The best team FPS game has always been Counter-Strike. There’s no denying that one. Halo is good in many ways but CS is better on balance alone. The best deathmatch game has to go to Quake 3: Arena. I loved Painkiller and Quake 4 but nothing beats Q3A.
RTS games are great as well, but as previously discussed you need PERFECT balance for the game to matter at all. Starcraft is the pinnacle of RTS games and the sequel will be no different. The balance is perfect, the races are diverse and the game is deeper than a Scottish loch. (Get the TV reference!?)
Of course, fighting games have always featured Street Fighter at the top. Other games are good as well but it always seems like SF games are just straight up better.
Considering all of this and the time I’ve spent watching/involved in the scene, you’ll see video games being played on ESPN sometime in the next decade. Guarantee it.
For this reason I have always looked down on competitive console fps. I think Halo is fun, but do not see why anyone would pursue it competitively over a PC fps. It’d be like having competitive sf game that you played with a ddr mat.