Maximilian Dood hate?

Dont get mad at a guy for filling a hole no one else was. Thats petty as fuck.

That’s what she said. :bee:

Just looked at Max’s most popular vids. A MW2 vid from 6 years ago is his highest viewed vid…

I like Max. He’s a pretty cool guy, and he usually has a very positive attitude. His commentary during KI Evo 2015 was nothing short of stellar, and he plays a variety of fighters on his channel.

Where he annoys me is with his forced “let’s player” persona. He didn’t always yell and make goofy noises every couple of seconds, he used to be chill and make funny comments here and there. And now he does this thing where he says stuff like 3 times in a row, as if he thinks not making noise will lose viewers or something. He’s not Markiplier levels of annoying, but I worry that he may be moving towards it.

He also tends to misuse words quite a bit, which isn’t a huge deal, but it always makes me cringe. And he gives out bad info from time to time.

It probably sounds like I don’t actually like him, but I still sometimes watch and enjoy his youtube channel. Just not as much as I used to.

His Injustice videos got me into fighting games and I loved the content back then, but the videos have gotten less appealing to me over time. Back when I was still trying to grasp fighting game fundamentals his videos were somewhat helpful, but now… not so much. He seems like a really nice guy and his videos are still fairly fun to watch, but they can get obnoxious at times, especially Boss Rage. I appreciate that he got me into the genre, but I’m losing interest over time, as I share a lot of complaints with the other posters.

I’ll admit to not watching a lot of Maximilian’s videos, but I have seen a few, and the ones I’ve watched make him seem fine as a person to me. I mean, he doesn’t rage to the extent of like, Aris, isn’t kinda really sad like DSP, and isn’t so overly desperate and pathetic in how he operates that he’s making EVERYONE who posts gameplay videos on Youtube look bad to where the only thing good related to him is a Retsupurae video showing how sad it is like Pewdiepie.

The only real things I disagree with/have gripes with is if he does the whole “making a living off Youtube videos” thing that’s another topic entirely (and even then I don’t even know if he actually does that so I can’t overly judge on just something I heard once), and how pro-Killer Instinct 2013 he is. Hell, even then my only main issues with that don’t and have never really had to do with the actual gameplay itself.

The irony being that these players who make up subjective rules and standards are now calling the people they lose to a scrub. I kill someone with a weapon they don’t like, and they call me a scrub :expressionless:

Kind of the same thing that people do when they use “literally” wrong.

I’ve been watching him for a couple years, and I think he’s alright aside from some of his videos being a little clickbait-y. He’s not as annoying as a lot of other YouTube gamers, and he’s pretty entertaining to watch. Even if you don’t like the guy, at least he’s not DSP or LTG.

That’s because in their eyes a scrub is someone who uses “cheap” tactics and is a “tier whore” who uses “exploits” in the game because they don’t have no real skill.

Im pretty sure that’s not true.

Plain and simple the hate is unfounded jealousy. Often times people think that what they do or what someone else does deserves more attention yet they never bother to focus on what the other person has done to to get the attention in the first place.

Here is a guy who was pretty decent at fighting games and decided to, with his own money and resources, create a series that he personally thought would be helpful to beginners, keyword beginners.

The series turned out to be entertaining and many of the websites like this one continued to feature his videos. This of course lead to more fame and popularity and the rest is pretty much history.

If the competitive players that people think are more deserving of fame spent the same time and sacrifice creating the amount of content that Max spent on his Assist Me, Boss Rage, Let’s Play series, then maybe they would get the attention that Max gets but all most of them are interested in doing half the time is streaming themselves playing the game.

They have no interest in editing, doing talk overs, even running an online tourney once in a while, none of that. The only thing they want to do is play the game, record it, and upload it.

I don’t really like watching anyone’s personal stream when they are just playing a game. I may watch a stream to see how a competitive player is learning a new character, learning a new game, testing the netcode, but beyond that, what are they really doing to interest more people in their stream and youtube channel beyond just doing well at tournaments?

I see a lot of guys from the competitive scene working on content for Street Fighter V and that is good and I hope it does well for them but what Max has is well deserved and has generated an interest in fighting games which I think is just as important.

Do I always enjoy the content he creates? Not all the time but he does have his moments. Maybe he does misinform on certain things but often times I gather its based on what he thought to be effective versus what another player found that was proven to be more effective under a consensus of other experienced/advanced players.

He has done a lot for the community. He just recently did Killer Instinct Cup using his own stream. The guy does appreciate this community like so many of us do and gets unwarranted hate for it.

I think max is a pretty ok guy and i watch his videos somewhat often my only problem with him is the “dood so hype!” stuff is really phoned in,the abundance of dumb stuff like reaction videos,the fact that he says a lot of stupid things about games he doesn’t know much about and the fact the he makes excuses that sometime dont make sense (like the fact that he says he wants to get into KoF but he doesn’t really have anyone to play it with despite the fact that he streams with his friends around often)

now i’ll admit i have a below average skill at fighting games so i wont go and question his skill but i do like that his videos are informative most of the time and that he loves his community which is something i can admire.

I had a nightmare last night and Max was in it

what is this thread doing to me

Max seems like a genuinely nice guy to me. I am an average SF player, even though I cram hours and hours into it…I just have fun with it and don’t really care to “be the best” I will admit Max isn’t the greatest SF player out there, but he also isn’t terrible.

Pros:
Nice guy
Bringing positive attention to fighting games, and the fighting game community
Doesn’t rage quit when he loses (well, from what I’ve seen)
Is entertaining to watch

Cons:
Doesn’t win all of his matches
Occasionally says things people don’t agree with (I haven’t seen/heard him say anything offensive)

I see no issue at all here?

i dont see how not winning all of your matches is a con nobody does and i dont think anyone would expect anyone else to

Hahaha it was a joke. Daigo even loses once in awhile

(Edit: to clarify, the cons I listed aren’t really cons)

I think max is a nice enough dude that worked hard to get were he’s at now.
also i liked his real talk videos

Had a suggested video pop up with max on how to get good at fighting games.

Shouldn’t someone who is good at fighting games be making that sort of video?

In my opinion, as long as they have a good understanding of the game they’re talking about and actually share good information (as you would assess on a point by point basis), I think it’s fair for people who aren’t “good” (by whatever standard of definition) at fighting games to make tutorials. As long as the information is good, then it doesn’t matter who teaches for the most part. But usually, you’d infer that a good player is good because they know well about the game, hence why they’re performing well.

In some instances, good or great players also make horrible teachers because of their communication ability, or lack there of. Some people like Viscant is by no means a bad player, but his hands are self-proclaimed stupid enough to not put him consistently upon the top echelon of players. Still, his ability to communicate on top of putting out solid information and analysis is something to not pass by.

In regards to Max, although I haven’t really watched his tutorials and etc. & hearing that he often puts out bad information (and it seems he does so to cover up his own ego), I don’t think he’s much qualified to put out tutorial videos. By my standards, he doesn’t fulfill the aspect of putting out good/solid info, and that’s it. In terms of knowing how to bring in an audience and communicate to them, I think he does well. He just needs to step up his information and/or lessen his subconscious hubris before he should create tutorials. He could still not make it out of pools at a major, but as long as the information in of itself is good and put together well then it doesn’t matter if he’s a “good” player or not as long as he teaches well.

Nobody is willing (or rather shown to be willing) to fill that role. One could argue guys like VesperArcade or SonicHurricane.com put out a LOT of useful stuff for newbies, like the Footsies Handbook you mentioned a couple of days ago

But the issue with them is that they have VERY little exposure, while Max continues to gain subscribers on a pretty much daily basis
Heck, SonicHurricane site hasn’t been active since like 2014

Bafael is doing SF5 Primer, but his videos only have like 5k views at best.

FGC streamers just do shit on their streams and they often aren’t dedicated to teaching you as you watch them on Twitch. Many don’t even have a YouTube channel. And if they do, it’s used as an archive tool. But how is a newbie supposed to learn anything from watching, say, Valle bodying some random dude online?

Valle doesn’t explain much, the chat doesn’t help very often unless you ask, which renders the video to be useless to a complete newb

So yeah…