Matchup in AE: Gouken vs Adon

Inspired by my bro from the east, ya boy from the west went to the viper thread and asked to lessen the opacity from burnkick animations!

I wanna see what kind of shit I started… Hope it’s as good as IAMs!

Lol

Saying that he has too much armor break and they should either take armor break off of Jaguar kick or make it less safe so they would have to space it correctly to not get punished… And the shit storm came after that…

Well…its true. They’re just butt hurt. I think they should make the startup longer so its easier to react to. I think I have pretty good reactions and I have a hard time ultra’ing or even tatsuing that crap. I see it coming but…I think its the hitbox. The hitbox is big when active so up close it appears that I can reversal in time but its hits me before I can get a move out. More startup or more negative on block. Its not fair that it has a huge hitbox, armor breaking AND safe. That’s bullshit.

I’ve been laughing the whole morning because of that comment!!! lolololol

I’m okay with the start up… It should be fast (its actually 20, 21, 22, and 20 start up)… Its just the hit box is stupid… Its hard to even neutral jump and punish it with hp… And cr mk can’t even beat it clean, even though it should… It he gets it off its almost nothing Gouken can do before and after…

I suggested that the only Alter that ONE move and all hell broke loose… Even though someone mentioned before me… I think it’s just me… Lol… Somehow people always say some slick shit to me and generally don’t like my responses…

JK, JT, rising jag hits twice, standing hk hits twice, and be can jump in and cancel to air jag… All of this shit is safe and has armor break… REALLY??

One person even said, if you take armor break from JK you might as well take him off the game… Lol…

I don’t see the big deal if he has to space it to be safe like we do our palm… It has a bunch of active frames so even if you make it -4 or -5 on block you still can space it out to be atleast +1, +2, and +3)… Not even counting pushback

They just want to be able to have 0 regard for knowledge of spacing which is bs…

They’re just being little girls. Adon is a really good character and needs zero buffs imo. I think if they shrink the hitbox of JK it would be easier to deal with. Either that or take the armor breaking properties away. Maybe if they take the armor breaking away make it have faster startup or something…idk. Ooh, maybe take the armor breaking away and make it have no pushback on block. That would make them have to rethink spamming it like they do now.

Taking either one away is fair enough of a change imo:

-armor
-hitbox
-recovery
-pushback
-startup

I am kinda confused

Went into training room and recorded Adon doing Jaguar Kick and then blocking after it, I was able to punish it after blocking with forbidden shoryuken (for all versions of Jaguar Kick) I though it wasen`t posible.

SRK Wiki says LK and MK are -3 and HK is -4 on block… that should explain why.

So after blocking the Jaguar Kick it should be easy to throw Adon but in really doesn`t work well.

Light and medium are -3 and heavy is -4. Its possible, but cl.st.mk and forbidden Shoryuken are our only 3 frame moves. Push back doesnt allow for cl.st.mk and not many people have super vs Adon. If you have it great but he’s gonna JK like 20 times out of 2-3 rounds. Being able to punish once and IF you have super is nothing. Then you’re left with no meter and he will still JK you.

Far mk>slide kara Lp super. And that is since Super as far as I remember

What do the inputs look like? :mk::qcf::lp::qcf::p: ?

:qcf::mk::qcf::hk:~:lp:

Didn’t see you crouch for even a split second before the st.mk though. Is that because you’re just doing it quick or because you were doing :f: :mk: :qcf:?

Hmmmmm…maybe its :mk::qcf::qcf::hk:~:lp:

Qcf is buffered inside the mk

Cr.mk working wonders…

But-but-but you only did it once though!

sick spacing for that finisher…

what i like are things like when ur backdashing prior to,then at approx at 71 secs you appeared to know to give up a knockdown only to comeback with exflip on wakeup for the momentum subduction, thats what is definitely up!

reading goukens wreck shop!

But it was wondrous!