Damn that TS! How dare he call something bunk when it has no credible evidence or reasoning supporting it? What a jackass! Doesn’t he know bullshit needs to stall for time whenever possible?
Jecht : Dr. B :: Jesuslactus : Godshiva
lol people pretending the income tax actually goes towards the infrastructure of this nation.
lol people pretending to celebrate Jesus’s birthday on Winter Solstice.
OMG! The governments brainwashing you through your toothpaste!
uh… the whole fluoride in the water issue, NOT toothpaste, has nothing to do with brain wash.
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I believe in people. Whether or not they band together into secret societies and play mind games on wack-jobs right before attempting to take over the world/summon Satan/Meteor/whatever is irrelevant. There’s some powerful people with some disturbing things to say and they don’t mind saying them on record. Whatever the symbols are, it’s nothing compared a person who just wants to get what they want at all costs.
I had no idea jayz corrupted beyonce. 666 y’all. Inside job 911.
The funniest part of this is that ts usually says about 6 words during an entire evo weekend. Somebody is scaring Him so he doesn’t speak in public.
so what you’re saying is that any information that goes against the mainstream is all a conspiracy theory and should be disregarded? im curious what you consider a conspiracy theory, because if something is proven it stops becoming a theory.
im not sure i mentioned any pattern, but ‘false flags’ have played a large role in many a countries history. also intentionally provoking an attack and not taking steps to prevent it are evident throughout history, in order to get a desired reaction from the public and create a believable enemy. i simply lumped in these kinds of events as false flags because its a case of a government intentionally instigating an attack on themselves.
i aimed for chronological order, and no doubt left some stuff out due to laziness.
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the Lusitania in ww1 was surrounded by shady business. not only did they send a massive ship secretly stocked full of munitions for the British(proven), but they intentionally sailed at 15 knots into an international war zone known to be swarming with u-boats and the captain ignored several known instructions for sailing in those waters. the British also had transmissions from their own ships that had sank in the same area that same day and never warned the Lusitania.
multiple ways to prevent the attack, which did not occur and the government almost seemed to facilitate or provoke the attack. you have to at least concede that they could have done A LOT to prevent this from happening but didn’t. -
Despite America’s ‘neutral’ stance at the start of ww2 it clearly wasn’t like that at all. from the get go they showed favor to Britain in the open by supplying them with old ww1 weapons, boats, tanks, light bombers and fighter aircraft while numerous American companies did business with the Nazi’s, including Prescott Bush through Union Banking Corp. in Prescott’s case he actually helped fund them, whereas companies like IBM were simply selling Nazis machines to help them keep track of all the jews they were slaughtering.
i won’t get into pearl harbor because IMO it’s mostly speculation how it could of been prevented/who turned a blind eye. not enough evidence to suggest that the president knew when and where, although ill also admit i haven’t done much research into it. what i DO know is that the 2 men previously held responsible were later cleared.
3)The Gulf of tonkin never happened, and your country still went to war in vietnam. not much else to say there.
- Oklahoma City was more shady business. multiple reports that day of multiple bombs found. Ben Partin spoke out about the official story because he knew something was up. he tried to stop the building from getting demolished so a proper independent investigation could be done but of course that never happened and the building was brought down a month and a few days after the bomb went off. Ben and multiple experts spoke out about the impossibility of ammonium nitrate and fuel doing that kind of damage. also despite recommendations that the building can be rebuilt easily it was promptly demolished and buried. i guess because there’s no new evidence you’re either going to believe the government ‘experts’ or the ‘experts’ that cry foul play. paranoia or mistrust of the government may be at play here but major oddities in the official story don’t come from people’s imagination.
there are also multiple cases of the CIA or the government itself sponsoring coup’s around the world in developing countries, then installing/backing a dictator and later invading the country to remove that dictator and ‘restore freedom’ to the people. often exploit national resources in the process. or they will simply invade a country that has elected a leader that is not america’s bitch and install a dictator while pumping his country full of weapons. if you’d like you can dismiss this because im WAY too lazy to dig up evidence and site sources atm but you being a smart guy im sure you’re already well aware of the (to overuse a term) shady business in the arms trade. in the past it was latin america, more recently its obviously been the middle east.
ill leave out 9/11 because honestly the official story has more holes in it than swiss cheese and you could easily have a 200 page thread just about that (with probably 1/3 of it being ‘fuck da mooslims bro’).
heres an excellent (and long) article about the arms trade. it goes more in depth about how america funds and creates these enemies across the world by propping up it’s own economy through the arms trade. this probably doesn’t classify as de-facto ‘false flags’ but it is certainly a case of the military industrial complex running rampant with no regard for international safety. and almost every time america arms a developing nation they end up having to invade said nation because they’re no longer under america’s control and now have fancy new scud missiles to point in america’s direction.
http://www.globalissues.org/article/74/the-arms-trade-is-big-business
forseriousedit: i almost forgot about the 1993 WTC bombing. LOOOOL
here is a clear cut case of a false flag. you have audio recordings of an FBI asset being concerned that he was being used to actually build a real bomb, and not a fake one like he was told. any amount of research into this (that doesn’t involve wiki) will show you that this is probably the most well documented and incontrovertible case of a false flag on american soil.
wow i dont know what your problem is. all i was doing is throwing out some (i thought) interesting ideas pertaining to the thread, and you come at me like im not allowed to have such thoughts. if you really wana be a prick about it change theory to hypothesis and go back to tilting at windmills.
edit: i forgot about the war on drugs and the CIA’s involvement in shipping heroin and cocaine into the USA. again, if you’d like i can go into a more lengthy response but this stuff is fairly common knowledge and im going to assume you’re already aware.
Which has no relation to illumanati.
The On To The Next Video was SO intentional, because people pay so much detail to everything he gave people something to talk about.
I wonder if the scary people in the dark are reading this thread laughing there asses off…
Then I will apologize, again. My entire problem with threads like these, is that people actually give some credence to the spurious claims made in videos like the one in the first post- which is actually fairly mild by conspiracy theory video standards. If you’re just interested in occult symbology, so be it- though I’d imagine you’d run into the same problem with regards to people being full of shit. “In this painting, a guy is holding a cup in his right hand. THAT means he’s a homosexual Satanist, because…”
I stopped reading here, because clearly you’ve not read any of my posts, and decided instead to read into them.
I’ll get back to your post later.
I’m either quiet or I go on long rants. I’m pretty happy at Evo, so I don’t say much. But one year someone’s gonna bring up The Devil Wears Prada, and I’m just gonna go off.
HOLY FUCK.
(((23+0)-0)x1)/1 = 23!!!
57-30-4 = 23!!!
This conclusively shows that secret societies rule the world from behind the scenes! Fuck this “proof” nonsense! X-FILES BITCHES DENY EVERYTHING.
The Illuminati tried to silence Jecht and Dr. B. The result of their actions? The moon.
You know real conspiracies don’t involve secret societies whose raison d’etre is to be as malevolent and dickish as possible while hinting at their existence in absolutely everything.
Just saying.
Well got my conversation starter for when I meet you at Evo one day.
With regards to the underlined sentence: I don’t know if you’ve been hanging out at these conspiracy theory websites too long and/or the types of people who populate them, but you as others who have posted in this thread, keep stating this false dichotomy that anyone who doesn’t accept conspiracy theories is some sort of closed-minded sheep. It is retarded, self-congratulatory nonsense. Please knock it off.
Secondly, my definition of what a conspiracy theory is doesn’t much differ from the standard definition- that is, more or less, an “alternative view,” particularly of a historical event which implies a large[r] conspiracy causing events to happen, but for which there is little to no evidence for.
Your last sentence is more or less correct- you don’t really understand that your pet CTs generally aren’t actually proven, except for “evidence” presented on conspiracy theory websites and messageboards.
Except, a lot of the examples you have accepted as truth are not actually true. And, so the pattern I spoke of- that you believe these “false flag” events (which, really weren’t false flags at all) don’t happen the way that you have been told that they have. As I mentioned before, your logic is circular because you make an appeal to precedent, and one which is invalid.
An editorial from the Wall Street Journal sums it up quite nicely, since I don’t seem to be getting through:
“I’ve only rarely come across a modern conspiracy theory that doesn’t seek to establish supposed historical precedents for whatever the conspiracy is? arguing that since it has happened before, there is nothing unnatural about it happening again. Sometimes the history can be voluminous; I was present at one large 9/11 Truth meeting in London in 2005, which began with the revelation that the Gunpowder Plot of 1605 was an inside job (James I’s chief minister Robert Cecil, if you want to know) and progressed through the Reichstag fire, the Gulf of Tonkin and the '60s assassinations, before making the devilish administration’s attack on its own cities seem like an almost inevitable progression.”
Just because something happened once, doesn’t mean that’s what’s happened recently- and in some cases you’re wrong about the once.
Hindsight being 20/20, I’m sure you’re right about the last part. None of the conspiracy theories surrounding the sinking of the ship make much sense, though- the biggest one being that it was allowed to be sunk by the Germans because there were a bunch of Americans on board, mostly children, and that’s what got America into WWI (this, to be fair, is based on an oversimplification of history). Except, America didn’t join in the war effort in earnest for 2 more years, and after many more American casualties.
This, like many conspiracy theories, is just poor reverse engineering- you decide that the result was intentional, and thus decide that whoever was “really” responsible for the event had that intention all along, and just managed to pull it off without ever being caught. It’s like saying that whenever someone throws an interception in a football game or if someone makes a bad pass in Soccer, then clearly he was being paid off by the other team. Because if you look at the tape, CLEARLY he could have done something else!
With regards to the sinking of the Lusitania, A) the ship’s captain thought it would be safe from submarines because of it’s speed, and B) after being warned of danger in the area the ship headed for Ireland, instead of going the whole stretch to Liverpool. Obviously the ship could have taken a different route, but by what reasoning are we to assume that the ship was left out to be attacked deliberately? First of all it was carrying weapons to aid Britain against Germany- and while it is generally thought these were small arms that were being smuggled aboard, would you not sink a ship full of only civilians and in was no way a valid target, if you were trying to stir up anti-German sentiment?
No joke! I bet the Jews are still mad about that one! As well they should be! Let’s hear what the Jewish Anti-Defamation League has to say about that Nazi sympathizer Prescott Bush!!
"Rumors about the alleged Nazi “ties” of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.
Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer."
…yeah. Yeah, so…
Anyway, Bush was director of a banking corporation, which was in turn owned by a family which had its assets seized for the duration of WWII. It is worth noting that Fritz Thyssen fell out of favor with the Nazis during WWII and ended up in a concentration camp, even though he supported Hitler in the 1930s.
Your knowledge of Prescott Bush clearly comes from CT websites, and/or those influenced by them. This seems to be a trend, with regards to your post.
I’m not sure what your note about IBM has to do with anything, other than your general point that some people involved with American businesses did business with Nazi-era Germany.
Speculation is too kind a word.
I’m not sure what it has to do with anything, but they were actually relieved of duty- just not court martialed. They were charged with not seeing the attack coming, because the thinking is that they should have been prepared for it, no matter what, as they were in charge of protecting the area.
They were not “held responsible,” in the way your post implied.
If you’re trying to imply conspiracy due to the fact that they weren’t found guilty of anything, there are two flaws with that line of reasoning: first, it implies that they were guilty of something in the first place, which we cannot assume. Secondly, we would have to assume that it would be of greater benefit to a conspiracy to let them go instead of putting them in front of a firing squad or otherwise hanging them out to dry. But, seeing as how we’ve not even outlined a conspiracy theory, much less a plausible one, both of these points are moot.
There’s quite a bit more to say there, and you should be more interested to learn it. Suffice it to say, The Gulf of Tonkin Incident was actually a series of two incidents which happened a few days apart. It is generally accepted that the first incident happened, but it’s the second one which is largely viewed as being bogus. I would suggest you research the reasons for each.
And it’s at this point I realized that there is apparently no conspiracy theory you don’t believe in.
Your believing these things seems to have an arbitrary basis. You do understand that there is actual research and evidence for these sorts of historical events, yes? I mean, evidence for recent events like 9/11 or the OKC bombing are relatively easy to get ahold of.
In short, I don’t think you have a burden of proof for conspiracy theory claims. I think you are automatically skeptical of any reporting or claims done by real people in real investigations with real evidence, etc, and are more likely to believe stupid cranks on the Internet, because they agree with you.
You are, of course, completely wrong. A few details about the test can be read here.
None of this changes the fact that McVeigh fucking confessed, by the way, and was otherwise implicated. If you want to hear him talk about it himself from his prison cell, you can hear him here.
Which is another problem with conspiracy theories- your “shady business,” as you call it. You focus on minutae, on little things that seem suspicious (particularly when you have a conspiracy theorist telling you they are suspicious, and not giving you context), while ignoring the bigger picture.
This is more what I was expecting from your post- the sort of generic America is Bad stuff I alluded to earlier, where you can support any claim, regardless of its validity, by bringing up something completely unrelated.
Your actual post was unfortunately even more absurd.
The “official story” is bulletproof compared to any given conspiracy theory related to 9/11, or any combination thereof. There is no contest. If you want to talk about holes… If the commonly accepted version of events is swiss cheese, the CTs are a chain link fence.
With regard to supposed anti-Islamic sentiment, it’s the conspiracy theories that I’ve seen being openly racist- the rationale for 9/11 being an “inside job” is that ignorant muslim barbarians who live in caves couldn’t have pulled off such an advanced operation.
Very long article. I am skeptical, given your poor track record up until this point (and below) but I’ll give it a look.
As I mentioned before, I really feel like there’s no conspiracy theory you don’t believe in, other than maybe the alien reptiles from outer space stuff, and that’s just an assumption. You seem to swallow the Kool-Aid when it comes to anything regarding the United States. Please browse this thread, it contains bits and pieces of the critical think you might wish to apply (not that I believe you actually care; I believe that you believe these things because you don’t care enough to research your own claims).
My problem is that your theory was endemic of the problems with conspiracy theorist logic. If you are incapable of criticizing your own theory, it is a poor theory.
I’m willing to bet that your common knowledge isn’t particularly accurate. A humble supposition, on my part.
post hoc ergo propter hoc
I’ll just leave this here…
From legorobotcomics.com:
How do you make people care less about MvC3’s single player component? Two tag bosses. You know who they are.
Trying to prove this stuff is like trying to prove the meaning of life, or that god exists. You just can’t. No one can prove it doesn’t exist, and there’s pretty shoddy evidence that it does exist. There’s definitely something strange going on when you look at the broad strokes of most of these incidents, though. There’s a question I’ve been asking random people lately that kind of illustrates this. Do you remember the third building that collapsed on 9/11? I’ve only had one person answer yes, so far. I didn’t even remember it. Now, why would it be like that? The image of the Twin Towers falling is burned into all our brains, but no one remembers WTC Building 7 falling down. No one remembers it, because it hasn’t been shown on TV a hundred thousand times like the Twin Towers. Hasn’t been talked about at all either. You watch a mainstream doc on Discovery, they won’t even mention WTC 7. Now, ignore the question of why they don’t show/talk about this, but take a look at how them not showing it has influenced us. It’s almost like it didn’t happen. Ask some people. Hardly anyone remembers it(at least where I live).
Can’t really trust anyone feeding you information, imo. It’s always biased somehow. Need to learn how to research this stuff from multiple sources to find small kernels of truth in each…and even then you won’t have a very complete picture. Just enough to make you ask, “What the fuck?”