Masonic Symbols in movies/videogames (including SF4/SSF4)

it also should be mentioned that ‘devil worship’ isn’t necessarily what you think it is. if you ever read books by alister crowley or blavatsky you might get a better understanding of what it is these societies are giving praise to. it’s more along the lines of a super natural power/awareness/insight that’s given to these people from ‘other worldly entities’ which they communicate with using a multitude of methods, but obviously symbols. the most common one is the pentagram or inverted star. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/76/Pentagram.png

apparently this symbolizes lucifer, the fallen angel. but what lucifer actually is/was, is a very clouded debate that you’re never likely to get an answer to.

(With regards to the title of the video, Freemasonry and the Illuminati are two completely separate ideas, and only really interchangeable in the minds of people who don’t know much about either group, particularly conspiracy theorists.)

You’ve made no statement of your own, therefore there is nothing in particular to refute.

In the general sense, you seem to be assuming that storylines about secret societies and groups equate to real ones, and are therefore being planted by these groups, in some sort of circuitous plan which is somehow not as completely self-defeating and retarded as that sounds if you say it out loud.

Secondly, you are assuming that imagery which is artful, esoteric or even being used in a sinister way in such works (of FICTION), has a covert meaning which is, actually, sinister. There is no basis for this thinking. (see: your link to the Vampire Savior video)

Because you are inclined to this sort of thought, however, you are vulnerable to deceptions (the irony!) which reinforce this view. I don’t intend to waste my time watching the entire video you linked, but DaDesiCanadian has pointed out the rather salient issue with the Tomb Raider clip at the beginning. Whoever made the video just needed someone to say “Illuminati” a bunch of times to set up the rest of the bullshit in the video.

At about 1:10 we see our first/next example of not-so-subtle deception, where the image of a pyramid on the back of a dollar bill is conflated with a man sitting on a throne atop some stairs, because they both are in roughly the shape of a triangle, with something at the top.

If we actually think about what the clip is of (ie. the villain of a movie; in what way would such imagery be helpful to suggest if you were pro-“Illuminati?”), but as I recall, the character is actually Persian. This is to say nothing of the fact that the entire comparison between the pyramid and the throne is ridiculous straight away, because it’s based on nothing.

More bullshit incoming at 1:45 into the video, because were are being told (or, meant to assume, in the case of people who already believe this dreck or close enough to it), that some guy in a goat mask is representative of Baphomet, who is supposed to represent the Christian devil.

There’s no real basis for this, of course, but I won’t even really dispute the point, since we’re talking about a slightly occultish group of people who are being depicted, and, from a Western point of view.

Moving on to Hackers, I suppose we’re meant to assume that a character saying New World Order is meant to reference the conspiracy theory. President Bush famously used the phrase in a speech in 1990, and it’s not like said phrase has only ever existed to mean the conspiracy theory- that is indeed only the most recent usage of the term- it’s just that, this being the Internet, it is also the most prevalent, here.

With that said, given the fact that the character is giving an eerie monologue with mood music in the background, I won’t particularly argue that he’s trying to be ominous (especially given the nod at the end of the clip, fair enough). What this would have to do with any actual conspiracy theory…well, let me save you the trouble. Nothing. But if the person throws enough shit at the wall, something will stick. The real deception of this part of the video comes from the correlation of the “all-seeing-eye,” which is itself a distortion in several ways in terms of how it is used in conspiracy theorist circles. But, that aside, we’re seeing a projection of an image of one person’s face onto another- I’m not sure why it’s a projection, given that he’s not looking at a projector- and the person who’s speaking’s eyes are on the listener’s forehead.

If I were to write this sort of scene in a movie, would your first thought immediately jump to a conspiracy theory notion about secret societies?

The Gargoyles clip tempts me to stop watching, as it is, if anything, anti-Illuminati propaganda.

I saw the Ghostbusters stuff, and here’s where I’m gonna call it quits.

The video shows, rather poorly, that The Illuminati and secret societies are somewhat prevalent in Western fiction, where they are almost always shown as being the villains of whatever story they are in. It also shows that when people think of occult imagery, they sometimes think of that pyramid on the back of a dollar bill, along with other structures which have fallen into disuse- thrones, pillars, columns, etc.

“The Illuminati” being mentioned somewhere does not equate to any sort of participation in a conspiracy with regards to the people mentioning it. By your own reasoning, I could only assume you yourself were a member of such a group or under the sway thereof, because you brought up a thread mentioning it, and posted a video full if weird propaganda about it.

I know what your talking about but the only issue is that the same people you just mentioned have influenced ideologies such as Nazism. You don’t have to mention the devil to be evil…

Good to know you didn’t bother to listen to the lyrics of the song.

It really isn’t, because this person is insane.

This is called “pareidolia,” and relates to people seeing objects and patterns (and especially faces) which are unintended or don’t exist, due to preexisting biases. For example:

http://www.discusstheparanormal.com/topic947.html

Look at the picture in the first post, but don’t bother reading it. But, give the picture a good look.

Look at the picture in the third post with the MS Paint effects added to it.

right. im not saying ‘devil worship’ (for lack of a better term) is good or bad. im simply saying that what most people think it means, isn’t really it at all. yet the uneducated love to spout off at the mouth calling you evil or ‘one of them’ because you’re clarifying something they didn’t fully understand. not that anyone was doing that, but im certain it wasn’t far away.

to most people devil worship is this: http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/usa/images-3/the-devil-tarot-card.jpg

when really its more like: http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/jdo0680l.jpg

of course if you read crowley you’re probably going to say “but what about the part dealing with human sacrifices”. well it’s mentioned in there as another tool for communing with these ‘demons’, but doesn’t necessarily praise it as the end-all method. it’s like writing a book about electricity, and having a chapter about how electric current passes through the human body. sure you can use your body as a pathway for electricity but it isn’t recommended. it’s like hes explaining what he sees as the very limits of possibility, where every possible avenue is explored. (at least that’s my interpretation of it)

edit: the connection between crowley and hitler goes a lot deeper than ‘influencing ideologies’. if you wana muze on where hitler got his ideas we can, but that is such a lengthy discussion and most people probably don’t wana hear it. (what? american and british companies and banks helped fund hitler and promote eugenics? say it ain’t so!)

ts, ur knowledge amuses me…

also, pareidolia is awesome.

Oh, the crazy goes deeper than that.

LOL at this.

Some interesting videos though.

This is the bunkiest bunk that ever bunked.

Dr. B, walking down yo’ street
A lady on each arm, he suckin’ mad teet
Makes eye contact with the local street tuff
Beats him 'till he’s had more than e’nuff

He dances, prances, pulls ballerina shit
Call him gay? Bitch, you askin’ to get hit
He could rub against dudes in a pink leotard
He’s still the man’s man, makes other men hard

He doesn’t do Bitch, never goes under
This entire line is engineered to end with "sunder"
720 roundhouse kicks the universe
Dr. B’s the only God; other faiths are perverse

this whole illumanti conspiracy theory shit is dumb

Most conspiracy theory stuff is dumb and ignorant, though not allowing others to explore the full set of possibilities is ignorance as well.

London 2012 mascots both have one eye each.

To be honest I do think something is going on. It’s not so much the symbols, but where they keep popping up and the history behind them, such as the Royal Coat of Arm of the United Kingdom being literally 100% masonic.

it’s pretty obvious but i won’t say here.
because i’m afraid.
and corrupted.

Rarely.

It’s rather interesting that you’ve come to the conclusion that such organizations cannot exist merely because it appears in fictional stories. Furthermore, why is it that if someone proposes the idea that the country, or even the world is ran secretly by a relative few, has lost his mind? Is it really that far-fetched of an idea?

Most of the replies I’ve seen have been knee-jerk reactions that such a notion is ‘dumb’ or ‘garbage’ with no proof thereof.

Lastly, the point of posting the video was not really about the illuminati, as it was about the masonic symbols that appear in all sorts of movies and videogames.

Actually a good friend of mine was recently approached by his banker to join the very society that people say don’t exist. This actually what got me doing some investigative work. I’ve heard of freemasons before, but nothing beyond that. When I did some research, the results were a bit disturbing. I’ve seen the masonic symbols in various movies as depicted in the youtube video, and was surprised to see it in Vampire Savior’s intro (I saw it during the MWC stream).

Now, we can debate whether or not this secret society truly controls the world, but I can definitely tell you that it does exist.

ALL SEEING EYE (FOREHEAD)

if u cut someones face in half, they are the symbl for freemasons… god was obv in on this shit. and i dont even believe in god.

also, srsly dude, freemasons have never ever denied their existence, its like the elks club, and they have a chapter in almost every metro area. why would u think they are hiding, lurking in the shadows, when they have buildings and meetings and bank tellers can join.

BUT, the country is ran by an “elite” few, and some of them are freemasons, so i guess you’re right.

Your judging the entire documentary based on a clip, logical. I’ll be the first to say that some of his examples were out there but again some weren’t. And calling the director insane doesn’t prove your point seeing how he was an art major and also a Catholic whose only purpose in the film was exposing what he thought was a coverup. Again there is an entire back story to the film that caused the investigation and also actual professionals, psychologist, doctors etc in the film validating the claims.

You’re a retard.

You were surprised to see an all seeing eye, something normally associated with the occult, in a game about vampires, demons, and all manner of things that go bump in the night. You have the intelligence of a child.

EDIT: I tried watching that first video you have. And how are you walking away feeling like there is a pattern? What is the pattern here? Of cartoons and movies using easily RECOGNIZABLE symbols that people can relate to so that the idea of an ‘evil secret society’ can be gotten across? You can’t literally be thinking this way can you?

I mean that’s like popping in Castlevania and seeing a crucifix and thinking that a secret catholic society is trying to convert the kids.

Vampire Savior was a pretty dark game…