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I wanted to comment on the series a week ago while it was fresh in my memory, but oh well.

Honestly, the series was tepid at best. Considering that the show is primarily based on martial arts, I found the choreography really underwhelming, with stuntmen waiting to get hit by telegraphed punches and such. Although the acting by all was good, I felt the scenarios were poorly conceived which ruined the pacing. Like with Jessica Jones, I got the impression that since they’re bound to a 13 episode format, they get caught in a struggle to find ways to put unnecessary drama as filler- which makes you even more confused as to where the story was headed. I got the impression the writers didn’t know whether to make have a “cheesy” martial arts homage or a high stakes “House of Cards” drama, and in the process ended up failing at both. The only thing that kept me going was cute little miss Sand Snake and the fact that Marvel makes many tie-ins, so I didn’t want to miss anything.

Things that bothered me in particular:

Spoiler

-The incessant “don’t kill/ this is murder” pontificating by people was downright annoying. We get it, murder is bad, even when you’re dealing with a soulless group of semi-immortal ninjas, with unknown connections in major conglomerates, law enforcement, and the government. I’m sure allowing a manipulator with (inconsistent) force push/ warping powers like Gao to live is a smart idea, surely, nothing will go wrong. It almost felt like these people were deluding themselves about the enemies they were dealing with. Although we occasionally get this morality spiel in other series, it was more obnoxious here.

-Which also begs the point of how Danny and his “angels” managed to fly all the way back from China with a bound Madame Gao in tow, then back to Colleen’s dojo with no suspicion or tail whatsoever?

-How comes a drunken fighter is the sole guardian of a major Hand facility?

-Danny, being such a high level fighter was being bested by random basic training thugs and having gimmicky assassins getting the better of him constantly. Most notably, the whole scene with the spider venom harlot was soooo painful to watch. They made Danny into a full blown retard getting “caught in her spell”.

-Danny’s best friend’s heel turn was unconvincing and juvenile for a supposed honor-bound warrior from Kung Lung. The exchanges between them also seemed weirdly homoerotic at times too.

-Unlike with Luke Cage, the whole hip hop vibe they occasionally tried to do with Danny felt forced. Overall, his entire character didn’t feel fleshed out, other than his emotional turmoil he had from his parents being murdered.

-Considering the heavy scrutiny the Rand corporation was under, it seemed rather odd that a recently resurrected Harold Meachum could have a fully armed goon squad patrolling the entire building and not create any red flags by the media and law enforcement. Also, it seemed rather easy for non-Rand employees to get in the building at all hours later in the series compared to when Danny first walked in.

5/10

You put up with a lot more than I would have lol. I think the critics made it farther than I did lol, fuck that shit was the biggest waste of time.

Meanwhile, on Freeform.

When a netflix marvel show debuts, I usually begin watching it the day its uploaded.

I started watching this last weekend.

I’ll preface by saying that I have no knowledge about Iron Fist like I did with Luke Cage and Jessica Jones. I went in blind.

Pros:

I like the actors for the most part.
Madame Gao and Claire were good. I like Colleen and Joy in both character and looks.
Joy is probably the most sympathetic character imo.

What was potentially interesting is that most of the characters were not outright villains and everything wasnt black or white.

I liked the drunken master fight. Reminded me of Chin from KOF. The Collen vs sword Asian lady was good too.

I didnt mind the corporate aspects of the storyline as much as others. It shows Danny’s good nature.

Cons:

The first six episodes are very slow moving.
Heck, the first 2 with the psychiatric hospital were almost intolerable.
I usually watch with full attention, but that part almost made me want to fast forward.

For a martial arts centric show, the fights felt felt sparse and mediocre.
The Davos fight scene felt poorly choreographed and you could tell bc it was super darkly lit and not in the open.
Its uneven in that some thugs could own Danny and some higher level characters were taken down easily.

Suspension of disbelief as White shadow said. They got a character bound from China to US without incident.
Colleen defeating some big roid MMA guy is pushing it.
Harold entering the Rand building with all those guys at the end was the most oft putting. 13 yrs NIGGA!

Bakuto

[details=Spoiler]It was kind of weird to me that a Hand leader would be so young.
Also, he came off as a 2nd rate clone of Oscar Isaac and luring young kids into the hand by making it a college dorm reminded me loosely of Shredder from the 1990 TMNT film.
I would prefer the mysterious ninjas from Daredevil to this.[/details]

I know we’re supposed to sympathize with Ward over his troubles, but that actor unintentionally gives off a smarmy, douche white CEO vibe.
He looks like he could be Harold Lees co workers from Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.
When he changes towards the end of the season, it feels superficial. His drug problem magically goes away too.

I feel that they say Kun-Lun too much like they have a quota to fill. I wished they would show more flashbacks to it greater than 3 seconds.
Was that a budget thing?

Misc:

I really dont like Danny hair/beard. I looked some pics of Danny in the comics. He generally looks clean cut facially.
After the first few episdes, he should have shaved the beard and used less hair products.
Seth Rogens younger brother look doesnt suit him.

Its interesting is that this seems to be the least violent/sexual of the MCU NEtflix show.

A lot of Brits in this show- Danny/Colleen/Davos/Harold.

No sex scene with Joy.

Poor ice cream kid.

**Overall: 6.5/10
**
While this is the worst of the MCU Netflix shows, I liked the characters/world better than Jess strangely enough. It is significantly worse than DD or Luke imo.

I think if they had given more time to martial arts training and writing, this could be a lot better.

MCU Netflix ratings

DD 9/10
Luke 8.5/10
Jess 7.5/10
IronF 6.5/10

So I wasn’t the only one who caught that. Good.

one thing they’re gonna have to retcon is how serious danny is. cause if i dont get some comedic shit outta danny and luke imma be fuckin pissed.

Show was alright not DD level but was okay. Ending kinda threw me off should have finished up on ep 12. Ward seems to be the one that got the most development out of the whole deal. Looking forward to how Defenders rolls out.

Defenders Official Trailer

Looks good, but I will be cautiously optimistic after Iron Fist.

Fight choreography already looks leagues above Iron Fist. Cautiously optimistic.

Fuck caution shit looks sick we in there

trailer is lit, yo that’s what’s up!
the banter/exchange between the characters sounds just as good as luke cage (best script+dialogue for an individual character series imo)
i concur with the fight choreography looking waaaaay better than iron fist

fucking hell, it even has sigourney weaver!
i’m so hype for this, GET HHHHHYYYYYPPPPPEEEEE!!!

LOL

JJ gonna fuck defenders up, IF might have time to get some actual training in but naw this show just a warm up for punisher.

We got weaver tho so there’s that lol.

Hype coming back slowly after IF. Let’s see what happens.

Wow Aug 19? That was quick.

I’m guessing the Punisher show will take the fall spot.

I thought Punisher would be 2018,since there have been only two releases per calendar year

8 Episode Season.

its the reason alot of iron fist was a shit show. because they filmed immediately back to back, so everything one iron fist was sped up/cut short so they could keep on schedule. marvel fucked up iron fist for this…better be worth it.

also it looks like everything ive predicted is happening so far. electra is the big badguy…she probably has been possessed by the beast. the head of the hand. gonna play up her lost soul shit and mind control shenanigans.

i expect dd and if to butt heads due to dd not wanting the path and if more or less embracing his path as the enemy of the hand.

im still not feeling im getting comedic if…I NEED MY COMEDY YOU FUCKERS

Does that mean the second season of Jessica Jones will suck? It was being filmed alongside Defenders.