If the MCU could keep the very serious tone of the X-Movies and keep the Avenger fuckery to a minimum, I wouldnât mind seeing Marvelâs adaptation of Messaih Complex and Second Coming.
Not to mention OnslaughtâŚ
Well if you want Messiah Complex, weâll have to start with this.
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Iâm gonna catch shit for this, but fuck the X-MenâŚ
They ainât been shit since that time Spider-Man single-handedly sonned the whole team in Secret Wars and the 90âs cartoon. Age of Apocalypse was cool too, but that was an alternate universe.
Everything else has been some extremely silly shit, even by comic book standards, especially when they meet other non-mutant heroes⌠Onslaught, anyone? Ultimatum? AvX?
X-Men can stay with shitty Fox⌠Forcing Marvel to use their other properties has upped their game and given a lot of characters shine that would have otherwise went to Wolverineâs stupid ass.
Fuck the X-Men.
I only want them for all the cosmic stuff.
Not wolverine. Just put him on every team like itâs 2004 again
Honestly thoughâŚthe X-Men donât fit their own universe. Makes no sense why Mutants face any extra persecution than other metas. Theyâre essentially as random as any other metas, only coming from birth rather than extraneous circumstances but since most Mutants donât awaken until at least puberty, kind of defeats the purpose.
I honestly canât say that I have ever cared for any of the Avengers (except for Banner). The rest of the team seemed like a cheap rip off of the JLA to me and the fact that Marcel turned them into puppets for SHIELD, the most useless organization in comics, and the government made me lose all respect for the characters (Iâm looking at you, Stark and Danvers.). Seeing Rogue solo those clowns and put Ms. Marvel in a coma put a smile on my faceâŚ
I think it has to do with their more of walking time bombs. They have no idea when their gonna get powers nor have a clue how to use them. Compared to other heroâs they tend to have no masks as well⌠They are public dangers. Other heroâs also seem to have a grasp faster vs mutants who may not ever control their powers.
The thing is, there are so many people with powers in the Marvel Universe who get them randomly that itâs hard to be fine with that justification. Plus, most of the persecution comes from mutants who already have their power. Thereâs very little (from what Iâve seen at least) push to deal with mutants that havenât had their powers active yet.
And other heroes do have masksâŚbut other heroes also donât wear them 24/7. You could be walking by a meta just as easily as walking by a mutant.
It just makes the whole melodrama really dumb when you have Ben Grimm walking around with very similar issues WITHOUT being a mutant. Hell he had it worse, he had an established life before he got Thingâd. Most mutants have it at puberty, and then have multiple options to use when it happens. Thereâs no Professor Xavier for random schmoes who get powers without a mutant gene.
Yeah of course, at the time X-Men came out there were very few heroes so yeah the commentary was there. They just forgot that the commentary shouldâve applied to many heroes, or die out over time.
For this reason is why Iâm open to Inhumans replacing mutants in the MCU. Their dynamic is completely different from mutants. Inhumans have the choice if they want powers, prefer to isolate themselves from humans than live among them and have a culture all their own. No need to question why someone would hate Quake more than Scarlet Witch.
Their were plenty of storylines about people being potential mutants. Its one of the key things that fueled all the govt funding of sentinels and all the sort.
Thatâs the point. Why would you trust Spider-Man but hate Cyclops when the only difference between them is genetics?
It worked in the paranoid, prejudiced-fueled 60âs, but mutant hate without a general hatred of metahumans in general is a silly ass oxymoron.
I think thatâs always been my problem with the X-Men being part of the general Marvel Universe⌠That, and all the oversaturation and terrible stories theyâve been involved in over the years.
I donât hate the X-Men, I just think the FF would fit more into the MCU. Just go and take a look at the Lee/Kirby run and see how out there and ambitious some of their ideas were. We need that kind of attitude for a FF movie.
Fantastic movie. Seen it 3 times already.
Every time the Black Panther entered the screen, I would say âTâCHALA!!â like in the 2nd ace Ventura movie.
This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:
But unfortunately for the xmen movie coming out in a couple weeks, it canât top this. So itâll probably be quickly forgotten just like Spider-Man 2 was when it came out a month after Winter Soldier.
(Blackbolt is probably too overpowered to work in a movie, at least present. Much like Spider-Man, itâs really easy to forget how stupid strong he actually is.)
Did this guy really just come in here complaining about the MCU being âtoo sillyâ and asking why people want the X-Men since their movies are so âseriousâ and thus apparently automatically better and high-brow and then proceed to disagree with every post where people in here say theyâre either glad or donât care about the X-Men being part of the MCU? The fuck.
Iâm personally glad that the X-Men are not of the MCU at present and say this is as someone who still generally likes them; I hate Wolverine thoughâheâs honestly part of the reason I stopped reading comics as a whole given he was fucking everywhere. Their storylines are generally an insular clusterfuck even on the best of daysâyou can say that about the comic-book Avengers tooâand while I donât doubt that the people doing the MCU could have generally made them work than Fox currently does, Iâm not bereft in their absence. Them being around might have made Age of Ultron better just due to how Wanda and Pietro were apparently weirdly included in that as âmiraclesâ rather than âmutantsâ, but beyond that and Magneto being available and maybe theyâre being some even larger cross-over movie than the one we just got that isnât named Avengers: Infinity [Something], thereâs not much lost.
At this point, Iâd rather the MCU get back the Fantastic Four or at least Dr. Doom over it getting back any of the X-Men, especially Wolverine, even if both X-Men: Age of Apocalypse and Wolverine 3 bomb so hard they make Gigli look like a masterpiece.
P.S. Onslaught sucked.
What I put in bold is both quite arguable, especially given that âcoming outâ as non-heterosexual is still literally a death sentence in a lot of areas and given that most of their ârepresentationâ is still as stereotypes or chaste lip-service. What I put in bold is also rather separate from why their complaints are silly anyway, which why both agree about.
Itâs especially annoying since there are quite a few LGT people who just outright donât believe bisexuality even actually exists. To say nothing of the kiss being a singular thing from a character who promptly disappeared from the story and is literally never mentioned again for the rest of the movie on top of the kiss itself being able to interpreted a bunch of ways that arenât necessarily mutually romantic given everything that happens shortly before it.
Oh well. Beyond the continued irony of LGBT being willing to discriminate against people just as readily, the complaints are also just further proof that women hate each other since men, even gay men, generally donât care about this shit and Iâm pretty sure that most of Sharon Carterâs detractors, whether itâs regards to kissing Steve or supposedly upstaging Natasha and/or Wanda, are women. #YesAllWomen?
You basically answer your own question with regards to the âweirdnessâ of the isolation and thus stagnancy of Marvelâs commentary with mutants.
You still read Marvel (& DC) comics (for some reason). Remember, this is the same Marvel that a) allowed One More Day to happen, b) had the American public essentially elect a known super-villain & mass-murderer in Norman Osborn as essentially super secret Secretary of Defense, and c) generally relies on turning everyone in an absolute fucking moron for most of its big, decompressed âcrossoverâ events to actually occur, like in A vs. X.
Thereâs so much that comics could have done if âStatus Quo Is Godâ wasnât a thing with just Reed Richards alone, to say nothing of human-mutant relations actually going somewhere beyond the umpteenth Bad Future.
MCU needs the FF more than X-Men. Many of the cosmic big guns and influences are tied to the FF. FF are need so Marvel can develop their cosmic universe more. I want Skrulls in my movies.
Dr. Doom, Skrulls, Annihilus, Silver Surfer, Galactus, the Watcher, and the Celestials I believe are all linked to the Fantastic Four⌠Thatâs a massive chunk of cosmic Marvel missing.
X-Men have the Shiâar, the Brood, the Phalanx, and I might be missing someone else from the cosmic side, but those are the big standouts.
An adaptation of Anihilation would be really cool.
Iâm still waiting on a Planet Hulk movie.
A Celestial showed up in Guardians so Marvel got them in the bag.