Are we supposed to be able to follow what Magegg is saying?
I’ve got like no idea what he’s trying to say.
Sony was basically the opposite to Fox, they thought they could cash-in with new Spider-Man movies even if they were bad quality just because of brand name. TASM performed just slightly below the gross of Raimi’s first Spider-Man, but second movie didn’t improve the box office, because of the crappy writing.
Fox has supposedly learned about their mistakes and they’re handling their franchises more carefully. In any case, we can be pretty sure the movie will be far better than the other two movies (we got Kinberg and Trank).
That said, the true question is how profitable the movie will be to grant sequels and how little’s going to gross. The expectations of box office grossing have really raised since the first Fantastic Four movie. Hell, TASM2 was still good 700 millions (double than X-Men: First Class) and was still considered a disappointment.
I don’t think Fox has big expectations for F4 reboot but I don’t think they are prepared for this to perform worse in box office than the first F4 movies, because the idea of “succesful movie” and “profitable franchise” have changed since 2006. It’s not how much the movie can gross, but what’s the max we can win handling right this property. I think they could consider a 350 millions gross would be decent, like what they got with First Class, but anything under that would be red lights.
And there’s always a final chance of creating a FantastiX crossover movie event featuring the X-Men and the Fantastic Four (whether they’re the same of Trank’s movie or a new interpretation) versus Galactus, I think Fox will change strategy if there’s a better way to take advantage of the property, rather than losing it to Marvel forever.
I like how he says it will do better than the first two movies, then provides a list of reasons why it won’t
If your reasons were an invariable law, Fox wouldn’t even be risking to it, man. They brought much better talent and nowadays people knows superhero movies are better quality than average action flicks (check the three gems from last year), so there’s a chance they could give Fantastic Four a chance, specially counting on the succesful X-Men rebirth and the people involved.
Sony did the same thing with TASM, and it ended up back in Marvel’s hands (more or less)
The previous Spider-Man movies (Raimi’s trilogy) had much better reception and success than the first Fantastic Four movies, TASM fell down because of the comparison… and they were still fucking profitable.
The cancellation had more to do with Sony’s financial problems, that demands them to squeeze the most they can their license, that means Spider-Man movies should be doing $1 billion. The problem with TASM was the writing quality, that’s why they’re asking help to Marvel.
Fox doesn’t have that much of that problem, Singer, Vaughn and Kinberg are great creators and X-Men: First Class and DoFP were both critical and box office successes. And Trank is nothing short of a good director, unlike Mark Webb.
The only problem I’m seeing with this F4 movie is their focus, the tone and the fact they’re not creating a shared universe with X-Men, which would have been extremely bankable.
didn’t read a single thing you wrote. Too busy posting this chart showing you how incredibly wrong you are, as usualy
Fun fact: if you compare it to a chart of FF profits, you’ll notice how identical they are.
when you start losing half of what you could be making on a movie, you generally start doing what is necessary.
A shit-ton of Cosmic Marvel is most likely in the hands of the retards at Fox, like the Shi’ar, Annihilus, the Skrulls, etc…
The article posted mentions Shi’ar. I’ve posted other lists in this thread somewhere discussing a huge amount of the characters Marvel can’t touch. Kang, Namor, the Shi’ar, the Skrulls, Uatu (and the other Watchers), Galactus (and all his Heralds), the Negative Zone, Annihilus, Molecule Man…fuck, some OP mother fuckers, just gone 
Disney HAS to just open their wallet, and buy the shit back. $3 billion is like 3 movies, for them.
Isn’t that a theory that this is why Fox is pumping out these dogshit movies? To dry up MCU’s villain pool? Like, where can they go after Thanos?
Fox is so fucking unoriginal that they don’t think that the people at Marvel will just… make up a brand new villain solely to give the MCU a truly cosmic threat.
Those are only American box office, worldwide’s a different story:
Should I remind you you’re the same idiot that sustained the opinion that The Incredible Hulk was the direct canon sequel to 2003’s Hulk movie until I left you in the ground by proving how fucking wrong you were on that?
Next time, try to get informed before saying more stupidity, son.
It has nothing to do with what Fox is doing, Sony basically tried to make a quick cash-in with the Spider-man movies, they’re contrary to the Spider-Man mythologies, badly directed, a choppy script (that’s the reason why Raimi resigned after Spider-Man 3, in general) and the tone’s all over the place.
Unlike Sony, Fox has shown to be regaining its way, with X-Men and other franchise like Planet of the Apes, that they’re handling very carefully.
Fox was able to turn the tables with First Class and DoFP, of course you’re not going to regain the audience’s confidence with the first try (check at First Class box office gross) but provided talent and writing and directing quality, you can be back to the top, X-Men: DoFP became the highest grossing X-Men movie ever.
What I think is that Fox could be using F4 to escalate the X-Men movies and viceversa, sadly their focus is that F4 should be the only superheroes in their universe, because if there’s many mutants around them they wouldn’t be “fantastic”, which in my opinion is wrong, since they have been part of the Marvel universe and they still work.
I think a F4/X-Men universe could be great and work out perfectly, the two franchises can help each other to build upon some new elements like aliens and magic, just like the MCU is doing. Sadly their idea of a superhero universe seems to be very limited and they think the elements of both properties would hurt each other.
Nonetheless, if the reboot doesn’t work I think Phase 4 it’s a very good moment for the F4 and their mythology to start showing up in the MCU, magic is coming with Doctor Strange, so they could properly introduce Doom as a believable magic/tech villain, instead of a troll hacker or a salty entrepreneur.
I wonder if they would reveal Quicksilver who died was a skrull, LOL.
I’ve heard that too, but you still do have quite a bit of villains out there lol. ALL of the Elder’s, all the Strange mega-villains (Dormammu, Shuma-Gorath, etc), Norman Osborn is back in Marvel hands again, Red Skull is still out there, MODOK and AIM…man Marvel could easily take b-tier villains and throw em out there. They teased fucking Stilt-Man in Daredevil, and people went apeshit.
Worldwide means fuckall according to Hollywood accounting. Losing $200m in North America isn’t acceptable in Hollywood, period.
Sony had no clue what they were doing, the leaked e-mails prove that. They were legit looking at making a movie based on a comic that Marvel itself frowns upon (where Aunt May is revealed to be Peter’s mom, and also pretty damn slutty), amongst many other retarded fucking things (Spider-Man with a twitter following or some nonsense). Sony Japan came down and put on the daddy pants and had to remind Sony America who Big Daddy Sony was, and that Marvel deal got fleshed out with the quickness.
Unlike Fox, Sony is playing ball with Marvel, and is now allowed to continue doing what they’re doing right now, but with Marvel assistance and the backup of their cinematic universe and intellectual properties.
Fox on the other hand, is giving us a third awful Fantastic Four movie that nobody asked for, is rewritting comic history all willy nilly, giving us lame interpretations of characters (such as Doom the blogger, Black Johnny Storm who needs to press buttons to flame on, 6 foot Sentinels, and Galactus Cloud), and basically going out of their way to be dicks about this entire scenario. If any other company was approached by Fox to use their IP in a movie or TV series, I’d make damn sure I negotiated a deal to prevent anal rapage, or just refusing to work with them, considering this is how they treat a valuable product.
Nobody is going to give the slightest of shits about FF + X-Men, if (and when) the FF threeboot fails. Trying to tie a failing franchise to a moderately successful one could potentially be a death sentence to the successful one. May as well make Freddy vs Jason vs Alf while we’re just trying to crash franchises into the ground.
No, they do, for example China’s an important market that boosts the box office grossing and sometimes saves a franchise, like what it did for Pacific Rim.
That has nothing to do with Fox’s situation.
It just depends, Silver Surfer and Galactus are hype, if they’re well used they can be the bomb. They won’t want Disney’s dirty hands on them. If they start working with the idea of aliens in the Apocalypse movie (hope so), all the rest can come smoothly with that.
That’s great to read coming from someone who already watch the movie and knows exactly what was the opinion of movie critics and the audience about that.
This kind of biased prejudice reminds me much of what people said about the X-Men and Ant-Man adaptations, they just tend to discredit the movies based on incidental factors like race or some changes to the characters, like Galactus’s appearance, Hank Pym’s age or Wolverine’s height… That’s just stupid, and if the movies were flawed they had little to nothing to do with that.
I think the movie will be good, at least decent. The only fault I see is that they’re relying on a very down to earth and limited universe, and that’s not what identifies F4. Despite of that, the stories can still be great if seen as something apart (just like the X-Men movies, most of their movies have been really well-received), but I don’t think that can compete right now with the superproductions from Marvel and the ones to come from WB/DC.
I don’t know, my opinion is that Fantastic Four and X-Men can help each other, while the F4 are not as popular as the X-Men, the F4 license definitely has a lot of great elements the X-Men universe can use. The X universe should expand, not stay so little and limited.
They need somewhere to compete with Marvel and DC, because after Apocalypse where the fuck you go? They’re going to need a big crossover event, either Galactus or Onslaught, but the first one is the right choice because Onslaught’s too similar to Apocalypse and Galactus is much more famous and popular.
I don’t think a third reboot would catch on, unless they introduce a new version of the F4 in an X-Men movie and they keep them around as support characters or use them for future crossover movies, with the chance of an eventual standalone film. It’s just that, they have to keep the property around.
Hell, mutants have already started to cease to exist… I can definitely see Marvel cranking out some badass new villians, or re-coating old, formerly lame ones into badasses.
Rhino for new Juggernaut!
SoVi3t, i generally agree with you, but global sales do mean something in teh woods of holly. Transformers is the shining example shudders
Marvel has partially ownership to the Skrulls. From my understanding, they can use the general race but can’t touch any of the Super Skrulls. Badoons are also in Fox’s hands.
Celestials. One made a cameo in Guardians and Knowhere is a decapitated Celestial head. They don’t fuck around if you piss them off.
Well Jet Li makes a perfect hero. Dont need to teach him how to fight.
Will white people still be Black Panther’s main enemy?
Black Panther should be fighting Talibans. Boko Haram and that, you know.
Remember this next time I post asking who the fuck is that guy lol