Consider that before Brubaker’s run, Captain America had Superman syndrome. Basically a great icon but crappy stories for nearly half a decade. Sure you’d get the occasional small arc or mini here and there but Cap had lost his relevance beyond being a Avenger leader and moral boy scout of the Marvel universe.
Brubaker brought him back to being a badass like his Ultimate counterpart AND moral compass. Not to mention great stories and the shocking fact that Cap 25 actually did kill Cap and not some weak cop out like so many other stories have done with such stunts.
Bru’s Captain America is one of the best solo books around.
I can see any other writer do that with their own style with any other character as well (and hell any writer can a take a character that ‘nobody cared about’ and make them interesting):wonder:
That’s a good way of putting it, but I did enjoy some of the pre-Brubaker stories from the 2000 series.
In the end I guess it is a matter of preference.
Just to remind you guys I DID ENJOY READING BRU’S CAP, I DO NOT HAVE ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT IT.
Yeah he putted it alot better than me
but for the record i don’t think that any writer can take any character and make him intersting it skills the only one i remember lately is Geoff Johns
Only a few could pull off that. Look at it this way, how many times have we seen writers kill off the main characters and replace them with both characters being well liked?
Ed Brubaker made us like Captain America. He made us care about Bucky. He made us like Bucky’s resurrection.
Saying that any other writer could pull that off is wrong. Look at Jason Todd, his resurrection was stupid. Look at the Flash(Bart Allen), we did not like how he died. Jean Grey is the same for that matter. I applaud the Bru for writing a well written story.
I just discovered Bru’s Cap run with the Omnibus at my local Books-a-Million. I sat down to a read an issue, and then the next thing I know I’m on the 65th anniversary special SEVEN hours since I sat down. This book is like…awesome incarnate. I really hope they get that #26-42 Omnibus out soon, even if thats kinda small for an Omnibus.
The difference with Captain America is that he’s NOT just any old character that “nobody cared about.” He’s one of the oldest, most famous, and iconic superheroes of all time, not to mention one who has the potential to be extremely polarizing to readers because his costume bears the American flag.
You greatly trivialize Brubaker’s talent when you say that you can see any writer do just as well with any character. If you honestly can’t tell the difference in quality between a Brubaker comic and some random, M.O.R. typical Big Two superhero comic, I don’t think there’s anything anyone can say to enlighten you.
Just take it on faith, or go read more Jeph Loeb comics.
And that’s the official stance of the Church of Bru. AMEN
There are a lot of writers whose work in comics I’ve read have made me like characters more than ever; Jason Aaron with Johnny Blaze, Abnet with Richard Rider, Van Lente with Aaron Stack, and this is to name a few.
Geoff Johns brought back Hal Jordon and he’s made more interesting then I ever considered him to be.
Garth brought back Johnny, Way did an OK job with him (IMO) and Jason made him awesome.
What about before Brubaker’s run?
I never read how he came back, but I don’t usually give a crap how they come back; if its stupid, its stupid, if not, I’ll go OoO over it. …but really all that happened to Bucky was that he was kept ‘on ice’ until he was used for espionage work, and seeing as Bru’s Cap is a very good espionage series that is part of the reason people liked him for.
Now Todd; he was hated/disliked form the start, if anything he just needs someone to pick him up and write him properly…which I believe is the case ATM; Fabian has him in Robin and is writing him OK.
…and I stand by how any other writer could do it, but in their own way, and had that happened, with say Johns as the writer, then the majority of you would be of the Church of Johns:wonder:
…and so would I, and I would clap the loudest if I could, since the book is fun and entertaining.
In the case of Jean…I have yet to see her death (again :P), but Bart’s death was part of CoIE right? I thought people got over that, and are now excited for Geoff Johns’ ‘Flash: Rebirth’
Well they are collected (at least til the end of the recent arc) and are really worth reading instead of waiting for an Omnibus, so try to track them down and read them :tup:
…but he’s also Marvel’s Superman right?
Actually from what I read so far from the posts, I seem to find the praise for Bru’s Cap sort of like an ‘enlightenment’ to the readers; its like I just started reading comics, having a completely mainstream view of them and Brubaker changes that completely.
I only read Bru’s Cap this year, before that I had read DeadPool, Academy X and some various series the year before (when I started getting into comics), so had I read Bru’s work first or earlier I might’ve fully understood the hype and uber praise.
Oh yeah Jeph Loeb, not Jason Aaron, not Geoff Johns, not Van Lente, not Kyle and Yost, not Grant Morrison, not Alan Moore, not Stan Sakai, not Abnet, not Mark M., just go ahead and post about THE NOT-VERY GOOD WRITER, NEVER MENTIONING THE OTHER GOOD WRITERS, FREAKING RELIGIOUS EXTREMISTS!
Ummm mind posting it again in a short form?
…and for those wondering…I am a-
Loyal brainless zombie of the Van Lente Cult
Blind follower of the House of Geoff
Stoic Slave to the Empire of Aaron and
Friendly loving buddy of the Church of Bru
X-Infernus re: MVC2 character, rumors and so forth
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So Blackheart is alive again sans an explanation as to how he came back to life lol! Anyway I wonder if the little Satan’s club is leading up to the often rumored “Mephisto War” storyline that’s supposed to come next year. Hey Marvel has a lot of secret clubs now, I can’t wait until Namor joins this one too.
I don’t understand what you mean with this comment.
Brubaker comics are probably a good gateway drug into the world of indie comics. A lot of his works for Marvel still retain that indie sensibility, especially with the way they are densely plotted and how he develops characters. So you just got into comics fairly recently?
Jason Aaron is awesome, but I hope you’ve read The Other Side and Scalped and not just Black Panther and Ghost Rider… Although comparing him to Hudlin and Way definitely makes him seem godlike.
Morrison, Moore, Sakai - they’re all living legends. Brubaker is still building his legend.
But I think it’s shameful to try to compare all of those other guys with Brubaker. Fred Van Lente has potential, but we’ll have to see where he’s at in the next three years or so. I have no idea who Mark M. is, either.
With all of the excitement I was expecting Shuma-Gorath.
Yeah, I liked some of the previous Captain America comics as well but overall they weren’t memorable stories and in the end that is what makes great comics.
Either way, I’m glad you are enjoying it. Stay away from most of the Uncanny X-Men and you will be fine.
Cap, or rather Steve Rogers is Marvel’s equivalent of DC’s Superman.
Started in early-mid 2007 actually
Readin Scalped and will pick up The Other Side.
…and uh sorry dude, but I personally am fine with Way and Hudlin’s works :wonder:
Nah I’d say his legend is solid, he has done quite a number of good series before Captain America, though I’m sad to say that I have read The Fall and enjoyed quite a lot, but couldn’t get into Sleeper.
Mark M. is Mark Mark Millar/Miller, I can never get the last vowel right between him and Frank
Though I’d say they are all in the same pantheon of writers whose work is fun and entertaining and give a great insight on the beauty of comics.
You can’t really give him credit for that. plenty of writers kill characters only to have them return under other writers. You’re basically giving Bru credit for the fact that noone has shown up to retcon his story yet; something he has no control over.
I liked it because of the blood and violence! Went to a movie theater in Brooklyn and everyone was clapping at the end! It’s a shame it only made 4 mil on the opening weekend though. Hopefully it will pick up by good word of mouth or when the DVD drops.
If you were a hot girl I would try to deflower you. no homo
Well, if Brubaker dropped off the face of the earth tomorrow, he would leave us an amazing bibliography. I simply said he’s still building his legend because he has been even more prolific the past few years than ever, in terms out volume of output. As far as I know, his first indie comics work came out back in like '91, and then he slowly released issues of Lowlife every few months or years. He didn’t get his big break with DC until around '98 or '99. Ever since he got his big break, it looks like comics have become his full-time job.
The other guys we mentioned - Morrison, Moore, Sakai - they were all very active since at least the early '80s. But I don’t mean to give the impression that I think they are past their prime. It’s just that I think they’ve already cemented that Living Legend status no matter what happens now.
Also, you need to go back and reread SLEEEEEEPER!!!11 at some point. As you read more and more comics, you’ll gradually become more and more disenchanted and discerning, and you’ll be able to recognize modern classics. Full disclosure: when I first got into comics, I didn’t like The Dark Knight Returns! It was beyond my feeble mind. It took a few years of comics reading before I finally matured enough and learned how to appreciate it.
Ah, okay. I like Mark Millar.
I can dig what you mean. I just think the aforementioned guys (Aaron, Millar, Morrison, Sakai, Bru, and Moore obviously) are on a tier far above the other dudes like Loeb, Abnett/Lanning, Kyle/Yost, Way, Hudlin, and Johns. Not to say that the second group is completely incapable of writing fun and entertaining comics. (Edit: okay, that second group is lousy, other than Johns. I don’t wanna give anyone the impression that I think Hudlin has good potential!) But it would be like trying to compare Super Turbo with Rise of the Robots. Sure, they’re both fighting games and I’m sure even Rise of the Robots can be amusing for a couple minutes… But when it comes down to it, it’s just not fair to compare.
Oh yeah, and about Captain America being Marvel’s Superman equivalent, I don’t completely agree with that. I would like to pursue this train of thought but I have to go poop right now. I shall return later.
