He raped her, I don’t think it’s entirely fair to label her a “bitch” because she was married to a rapist. Joan has lived in a world where she’s been constantly passed over because she’s a woman. Being tough is what she has and protecting herself and her family is top priority. She sacrificed a piece of herself to get in the game, and fuck if she’s going to let Don mess that up. Now, all is well and good with the sale of the company, she’s a millionaire woman in 1969, that’s huge.
fucking white knights smdh
So making sense is white knighting now?
Can we honestly retire the term “white knight”? It’s a term little children use when faced with logic and reason. It actually says a lot more about the person who said it than it is a criticism of the intended target.
White knight has its place in our lexicon, but he’s just using it wrong. It’d be better if we teach the ignorant than just locking the term away.
I also think Crucades is completely lost on the plot. Joan power-tripping? I guess he missed the part where Don had stood up for her–an actual act of white knighting–because he had a false sense of morality. He was doing it more for himself than her because of what his mother was. But yeah, she’s a bitch for that.
Apparently she’s also a bitch for being upset that that little stunt cost the firm the Jaguar account. Yeah, so her giving up her body was for naught. She’s now truly a whore. But whatever, we’re white knighting her because we understand the complexity of emotions her character is going through after an outside force caused her actions to be null and void.
Calling Joan a bitch is a super stretch. Her husband is a scumbag, her baby’s daddy is married and she just got proposed to by a gay dude that wants to take care of her even though she’s more successful than him. I think she’s just not paying attention to who is actually looking out for her,
Don is obviously self-absorbed, but he’s still the only dude that actually shows any concern for her respect as a person/woman. The Jaguar guy was a douche, remember Don gave him the “fuck off” after the guy said that his kid off the street was writing copy as good as theirs. And Joan gave up her body for the partnership, she was given the offer because of Jaguar, but she was being shortsighted in being upset at Don over that, mind you Don’s also doubled the size of the agency (with the merger) and landed Chevy. Live by Don, die by Don.
She gave up a piece of herself and her humanity for an account (she did it for the partnership, but it came because they landed the account), and then Don tossed that aside. I don’t know how many women you know, but most the ones I know would have torn Don’s eyes out for that. She’s a human, she’s allowed to be upset when the thing she whored herself for (fulfilling her role as a woman in this world, to serve men) is tossed aside. She had to fuck some stranger just to prove her worth, something her many years of hard work couldn’t accomplish. Try, if it’s possible, to imagine the world from her point of view. Even with her partnership, all that will always be in her head, and define who she is to herself. You can’t even begin to diminish that and how that shapes her view of the world.
Don lands accounts. That’s fine. But he also costs them accounts, not just in the immediate time, but in the future with his actions. That’s not always worth the W’s he gets. They are running a business that has to think about the future, not just getting one account. One letter to a newspaper means they never land another cigarette company. That’s what Don does and why they put him on leave.
Don is a loose cannon, but the fact of the matter is that he’s a loose cannon people want and he has genuine talent for deceit advertising. Roger made the strongest defense of Don’s importance when he asked the partners if they really wanted Don working for the other team, everyone went silent.
Don is like male lion governing the pride. He takes what he wants selfishly, but when the pride gets threatened by another intruding male, he actually does his job… only to slumber again for 20 hours a day.
@angryliberal I’m sorry to hear about your cancer battle.
I love that advice Don gave Peggy; “Listen sister, if you can’t think a straight thought then catch some Zzzs on this here couch for the rest of the work day.”
Almost choked on my drank was laughing so hard.
I’m surprised at how dead this thread has been, considering the show was ending. So Betty slowly dies from terminal lung cancer, Peggy gets with bearded art dude, Roger is with a temperamental French socialite, Joan (and her twins) forego a relationship in retirement to become a producer, Pete gets back with his ex-wife to life to go “jetsetting” and Don is on his way to inner peace by joining a hippie commune.
All culminating with the classic Coca Cola ad symbolizing the end of an era or the fusion of humanity and advertising? A decent ending for the series, I guess…
Oh yeah and I’m glad I wasn’t the only one that noticed this:
That’s the on the nose theory. It makes it even more on the nose since that’s the real-life McCann Erikson’s ad and its claim to fame in the advertising industry.