Yh I get it, alot of times I feel the same, match ups and tiers are real :frowning:

Sometimes Ex Sk can be beaten by cr.jab?? or other normals…

It can always be beaten by pretty much anything. It has the same hitboxes as regular scissors. That’s the price to pay for having it be +1 on block and give a hard knockdown with a free dash and meaty.

Having it get beat by jabs, shore. Having it beat by throws?

But ex straight tho

Ex straight doesnt give a hard knockdown…Not many things in this game do.

True. I meant that it’s plus one and a hell of a lot harder to jab.

How would you guys feel about psycho axe trading its crush counter status Cr. Hp? I’m thinking maybe the CC animation would look like Guiles or Balrogs, where the opponent flips straight up in the air. Would it be a valuable change to his tool set or would it be too much of a sacrifice? I feel like I hardly ever crush counter with psycho axe ever since they slowed it down in Season 2

Dont touch my psycho axe!!!

Or make it 16f again. But a CC on an airborne opponent wpuld not lead to much. PA CC onto sHP and HK Scissors tho… delicious!

Keep the CC on Axe, it´s good because it can make people afraid of countering it, also makes some punishes better at X ranges where you can´t get more.

I was thinking stuff like Cr.hp-hell attack combos and potential resets would be nice to add to his tool set. You cant deny the possibility of of CC cr.hp-devils reverse combos would be pimp looking at least lol.

GET OUT!!!

I mean, sure cc cr.hp would be a wonderful addition to our arsenal alongside Psycho Axe and backwards teledashes. Great suggestion!

Alex Myers saying Cammy-Bison is 5-5. Any thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbnxn6ZlW5E

@LoupGris I always felt it was 5-5 or in her favor, the thing is that it might be 5-5 but the Bison has to work harder than the Cammy to win. Her low health makes anything Bison does hurt, Bison can do decente against her in neutral if he can position himself right, something that Cammy can do easyer, he has good tools to fight her, she has good pressure and EX DK is annoying but her pressure is meaty or throw and her throw doesn´t lead to much, blast and VS are good vs EX DK if used at the right time. This match up is similar to the Bison vs Cammy match up in 4, if you can keep standing and use your pokes well and pressure well she struggles. Overall be at the right spot and punish hard, also use your meter well.

I find it problematic to pressure Cammy considering her walkspeed allows her to get out of range quickly and whiff punish Psycho Axe. She can also beat clean any air attack with b+MP. It’s very difficult to deal with losing the life lead. Of course, Cammy players tend to push forward a lot and they’re bound to make mistakes but I can’t help feeling like a patient Cammy playing with the life lead could shut down Bison easily. I can see the argument for the matchup being 5-5 I guess. But it feels like she has the advantage to me.

I’m not good at the matchup…but It feels like 6-4, her favor. I feel like once she has meter she can simply play off of the threat of dive kick. I feel like the dive kick is such a threat that both characters are playing around that one move. I think it’s way to easy for her to touch Bison, yet it’s crazy hard to catch her in footsies.

I think its close to 5:5 as well.

Play a defensive footsie game and try as much as possible to stay mid screen. In my opinion defensive footsies trump offensive footsies.
Don’t use Psycho Axe or use it extremely sparingly. Its too easy for her to whiff punish it.

If she is constantly walking back and forward trying to whiff punish a poke. Walk forward slowly to reclaim the mid screen but don’t dash into her. You want to be mid screen or be closer to her corner so in the event of her landing a poke cancel into spiral or she gets in off a jump your not pushed back to the corner straight away.

If she’s walking forward and poke, counter her S.MK with S.MP buffered into Shadow Axe, if she’s use’s C.MK xx Spiral, counter with C.MK buffered to LP.Inferno. If you can bore her into being more offensive where you see she’s coming towards you more to poke and has stopped moving back and forth then you can consider using Psycho Axe.

If she’s constantly moving back and forth still and focusing on the footsie game, slide can be worth a shot, not so much for the damage but if you land it you get to start pressuring her, so while slide is a risk and has always been a risk I feel in the pay off in this game is higher because of the momentum you can win.

She obviously more likely to get in off a jump than you are. I advise the same against her as any character, if she’s jumping a lot to get in, stop poking as much and focus on anti airing for a while, there is not much you can do about EX.Cannon Strike but remember if you block it at head height, she gets no frame advantage. Anti airing her in V is easier than IV in general, you can much consistently anti air her normal Dive Kick than you can in 4.

If you get pushed into the corner your in trouble, but block more than throw tech, her shimmy game is far more deadly than being thrown. Getting thrown mid screen is fine, take the reset, she gets nothing off throw mid screen.

Don’t panic when she has V-Trigger, don’t use jump back she be able to VT Spiral Arrow it (also don’t jump back when she has critical art, unless you have your CA stocked). At most back dash to create abit of space and even at that don’t be obvious about it. If you have one stocked for V-Reversal your sorted, you can just V-Reversal her VT Cannon Strike even when she goes behind you (drives Cammy players nuts).

Obviously she has better anti airs. VT Head Press from close range does stuff her B+MP and can even stuff/trade with her Cannon Spikes.
Against B.MP, EX.Head Press cancelled to EX.DR at the apex of EX.Head Press jump height will cause Bison to go behind Cammy and make B+MP, giving Bison slight frame advantage. How much you will get off this depends on how good the Cammy’s players reactions are.

I went a step further… I even broke my damn hand, because of a burst of salty rage.
For me it was an Alex. :frowning:

No game in all those years of gaming has made me this mad sometimes.

I’m gonna split the difference and say its 5.5 for her. The only reason our reach is threatening is because she can be so willy nilly mobile on offense that she will walk into shit. She can bully us point blank but we can bully her sweep range. If they crack we get a fat punish, but she can still steamroll bison with one knockdown.

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