M.Bison General Thread: Come here prepared to fight a madman, and instead you will find a GOD!

Azza · 2017-02-08T18:36:25.000Z

LoupGris:

The main issue with Balrog is that he gets full screen corner carry out of a 3f jab if he has VT and also his high low mixups provide a way in that Bison simply does not have. His walkspeed also helps to land those crush counters and his anti-air capability is much stronger than Bison.

I think Bison’s damage and stun is fine. But I think Balrog is kinda cheap in that he can dish out the same amount but it’s much easier to land.

No question Balrogs V-Trigger is powerful, he wins games of that alone. Its a better comeback factor than Bison’s V-Trigger, but until he has V-Trigger stocked Bison beats him neutral. I think people here are underestimating Bison’s neutral game, its pretty strong at least compared to Balrog.

Most Barlrog’s with V-Trigger will fire out a random EX. Dash Straight/Low and mix up with V-Skill overhead or empty V-Skill into a low. V-Reversal is a good counter to VT. Dash Straight, EX.Dash Straight/ EX.Dash Straight cancel into V-Skill overhead. The overhead is also punishable while empty V-Skill into low can be interrupt, the more you get use to his mix the better you get at dealing with them, lowering his overall % conversion rate. Your not going get it right all the time, but I find if I can V-Reversal one of his EX.Moves and leave him with only 1 ex bar his damage output off a conversion is not too bad, albeit he still gets the corner carry. The upside of when Balrog gets V-Trigger is that he will have taken alot of damage to get it and will at most get only 1 V-Reversal if he wants to use it.

V-Trigger like Balrogs and Uriens do feel cheap though, when they turn around matches via using their V-Trigger’s it feels like their wins are not earned. I suppose other players may feel the same when Bison occasionally blows through a poke with VT Knee Press and makes them eat a two bar combo for 400 damage, but at least in that case its much less common.

Kriger_Stern · 2017-02-08T18:52:20.000Z

Wasn’t the discussion about how stupid Balrog’s damage is (with and without vt), instead of Balrog x Bison as a matchup?

digos25 · 2017-02-08T19:18:41.000Z

Kriger_Stern:

Wasn’t the discussion about how stupid Balrog’s damage is (with and without vt), instead of Balrog x Bison as a matchup?

Yh, just to add to that, another thing that helps Rog with damage is he has more damaging combos into super and he can have super since he doesn´t need EXs to be good, if he uses those EXs he gets huge amount damage from them, something that Bison can do but not has good has Rog.

LoupGris · 2017-02-08T19:26:28.000Z

Azza:

V-Trigger like Balrogs and Uriens do feel cheap though, when they turn around matches via using their V-Trigger’s it feels like their wins are not earned. I suppose other players may feel the same when Bison occasionally blows through a poke with VT Knee Press and makes them eat a two bar combo for 400 damage, but at least in that case its much less common.

That’s a fair punish for someone who throws obvious pokes while your godamn psycho power is active ha ha.

You’re right about that matchup and Bison’s neutral beating Balrog. I think my personal issue in this matchup is that I don’t pay enough attention to my opponent’s resources and also I’m really awful at blocking overheads, even the slow ones.

Thunda · 2017-02-08T19:44:31.000Z

I think the neutral is pretty even with Bison vs Balrog, if the Balrog isnt trying to meter horde for super.

Flack0 · 2017-02-08T19:56:38.000Z

Whats your personal approach when activating VT?

I hate seeing bison players relying on VT shenanigans… good players kno how to shut that shit down.

Azza · 2017-02-08T20:06:31.000Z

Kriger_Stern:

Wasn’t the discussion about how stupid Balrog’s damage is (with and without vt), instead of Balrog x Bison as a matchup?

It wasn’t it was just about his damage without VT and you had already wondered on to the topic of Bison needing VT to do decent damage.
Regardless its a pointless discussion taking in isolation. Might as well post a link to Zangief doing 240 damage off a command throw and saying when can Bison do that.

digos25:

Kriger_Stern:

Wasn’t the discussion about how stupid Balrog’s damage is (with and without vt), instead of Balrog x Bison as a matchup?

Yh, just to add to that, another thing that helps Rog with damage is he has more damaging combos into super and he can have super since he doesn´t need EXs to be good, if he uses those EXs he gets huge amount damage from them, something that Bison can do but not has good has Rog.

I find most Rogs prefer to burn there meter doing EX moves in VT and rarely bother with super. Outside of VT I think Rog’s best super combos only doing slightly more damage than Bison’s but do less stun.

Flack0 · 2017-02-08T20:11:10.000Z

I really hope the new S2 character design and play are as cool as bison… I’m lookin at the current cast of characters excluding bison in scust :s

I try real hard to have secondary main but it ain’t happending…

digos25 · 2017-02-08T20:29:28.000Z

Flacko_ali:

I really hope the new S2 character design and play are as cool as bison… I’m lookin at the current cast of characters excluding bison in scust :s

I try real hard to have secondary main but it ain’t happending…

You better not talk alot about a secondary because @Daemos will think you’re a traitor.

Clamper · 2017-02-09T00:48:49.000Z

Flacko_ali:

I really hope the new S2 character design and play are as cool as bison… I’m lookin at the current cast of characters excluding bison in scust :s

I try real hard to have secondary main but it ain’t happending…

Flacko_ali:

I really hope the new S2 character design and play are as cool as bison… I’m lookin at the current cast of characters excluding bison in scust :s

I try real hard to have secondary main but it ain’t happending…

I also hate these goofy ass characters like FANG and Birdie.

But i think Urien and Nash are quite cool.

gian2412 · 2017-02-09T01:33:55.000Z

Clamper:

Flacko_ali:

I really hope the new S2 character design and play are as cool as bison… I’m lookin at the current cast of characters excluding bison in scust :s

I try real hard to have secondary main but it ain’t happending…

Flacko_ali:

I really hope the new S2 character design and play are as cool as bison… I’m lookin at the current cast of characters excluding bison in scust :s

I try real hard to have secondary main but it ain’t happending…

I also hate these goofy ass characters like FANG and Birdie.

But i think Urien and Nash are quite cool.

I didn’t like F.A.N.G at first either but after playing the story mode you realize that he is much more than a goofy character of course I would change his stupid CA, now Birdie is only a goofy aaaassss character nothing else, like Rufus, El Fuerte and Hakan which is sad, because I like his looks minus the white eyes but act very silly. We can have Dan as goofy character, but JUST one and only him and he has a good story.

It is almost certain that the new character is kolin/Hellen and according to the rumors it feels similar to Rose; I don’t like the way she looks and if they want someone like Rose why not bring her anyway.

Daemos · 2017-02-09T03:26:10.000Z

digos25:

Flacko_ali:

I really hope the new S2 character design and play are as cool as bison… I’m lookin at the current cast of characters excluding bison in scust :s

I try real hard to have secondary main but it ain’t happending…

You better not talk alot about a secondary because @Daemos will think you’re a traitor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W7c8QghPxk

These are the only permissible secondaries:

FANG (Shadaloo King)
Vega (Shadaloo King)
Balrog (Shadaloo King)
Necalli (All part of the plan!)
Urien (Hates Gill)
Cammy (She’ll come back to the darkside eventually)

EVERYONE ELSE IS FORBIDDEN!

LoupGris · 2017-02-09T03:32:34.000Z

We don’t need no Cammy

digos25 · 2017-02-09T19:05:48.000Z

twitter.com

Arman Hanjani (NVD_Phenom)

Bison can reduce recovery on landing by late cancling to ex devil reverse after ex headstomp. https://t.co/F0YK5DLtfF

6:18 PM - 8 Feb 2017

Thunda · 2017-02-09T19:09:31.000Z

Good Lord, thanks for that find.

Flack0 · 2017-02-09T19:48:23.000Z

God I wish c.hp was faster…

digos25 · 2017-02-09T20:40:52.000Z

Flacko_ali:

God I wish c.hp was faster…

It´s the true buff we need now.

LoupGris · 2017-02-09T20:54:39.000Z

At this point I got so used to having bad anti air I would rather have scissor kicks be great again than a crHP buff.

Thunda · 2017-02-09T21:35:55.000Z

Any sort of anti throw , overhead, or anything to help open people up would be the best thing. I’ve given up on hoping for a good AA and could care less now.

digos25 · 2017-02-09T21:55:08.000Z

From Capcom Unity:

" As previously mentioned, we have been analyzing player performance since the Season 2 balance changes. At this time, we can confirm additional changes are in the works to bring characters in-line with how we envision them to perform. We can’t share all of the details quite yet, but we are anticipating an announcement early March."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFB2akLh4s