Lupinko says there will be a Super MvC3 [rambling and dreams: enter at your own risk]

Anemone · 2011-07-19T20:24:07.000Z

Stratoforce:

Wrong. The game has plenty of mini-cut scenes. Like watching the big daddy and the little sister for the first time, and the guy getting drilled into the wall. Just one example.

That’s not a full cut scene because it doesn’t “cut” away from gameplay. It’s a part of gameplay. Lack of control is gameplay itself when incorporated as an element of gameplay. Games can use control as a narative element, and the amount of control you give the player during gameplay is used as a narrative tool. Bioshock explores this in full, but no game quite makes use of it as well as
http://distractionware.com/blog/?p=759
Give it a shot and consider what it means when you lose control of a charecter.

Kanta-Kun:

Anemone, try to understand the following:
Nobody gives a flying fuck how the story is conveyed inside the game. They just want it to ACTUALLY BE CONVEYED INSIDE THE GAME.

Then they should have no trouble with MvC3, which as I’ve stated and showed over and over again, does indeed have a large part of tangental story telling.

You’re constantly comparing video games to movies/comics/etc and saying that games shouldn’t need to rely on the others, when you fail to understand that they are a completely different medium that is perfectly capable of including all of the others.

Including is one thing, RELYING ON is another.

Music, Drawing, Cinematography, etc. Not only are they able to do that, they are EXPECTED to do that, and in increasingly original ways.
have you ever heard of ninja gaiden? The original one? Shit was hype and super revolutionary with its… CUTSCENES.

Not all change is progress, just as not all movement is forward.

Jamp · 2011-07-19T20:25:01.000Z

GomuGomu:

Two reasons why I don’t play the game as much as I’d like to. There’s only so much time you can spend in training mode and then resort to LMHS > MMHS > OTG Hyper because none of your shit works.

I feel the same. I really, really love this game and I would make it my main game instead of SF if the online was good, since I don’t have the means to actually play offline as much as I wanted to.

Stratoforce · 2011-07-19T20:25:49.000Z

FlameMasterAJ:

I actually like the still frame narration story telling BlazBlue had. Sadly, BlazBlue’s story is boring and dull, and way too full of anime cliches. Not that MvC3 would be better at all, but I still hope to see a good story brought out with the still frame story telling in the future. I actually liked Battle Fantasia’s story and still frame movements, they are on a higher plane that Blazblues story mode. BF may be kiddy and just out right weird, but it amused and entertained me more than BB, sadly it fell hard.

Most of the marvel cast is far from anime-cliche in the game in their story lines already. Even a good bit of the Capcom cast is too. The Darkstalkers characters, Zero, Akuma, and Ryu are the only ones that actually come off as anime-cliche to me. Though, that is to be expected.

Cee_Dizzy · 2011-07-19T20:26:56.000Z

Thanos will be so scary in the new edition (if the rumor is true).

And if Strider is confirmed, lord know Im buying 3 copies…

Phoenix Wright will be the Dan of MVC3.

COMIC CON WHY CAN’T YOU COME ANY QUICKER!?!?!?!?!!?

GomuGomu · 2011-07-19T20:28:04.000Z

FlameMasterAJ:

I agree with you, reason I didn’t list better Online netcode is simply because I believed we would get a better netcode or upgraded one. But sometimes assuming is bad. It might not even happen.

Just one of those things you just gotta pray for

Edit: wow this smiley does not work on dark skin lol

Jamp · 2011-07-19T20:29:48.000Z

Anemone:

That’s not a full cut scene because it doesn’t “cut” away from gameplay. It’s a part of gameplay. Lack of control is gameplay itself when incorporated as an element of gameplay. Games can use control as a narative element, and the amount of control you give the player during gameplay is used as a narrative tool. Bioshock explores this in full, but no game quite makes use of it as well as
http://distractionware.com/blog/?p=759
Give it a shot and consider what it means when you lose control of a charecter.

There is absolutely no difference. Cutscenes just give different viewpoints, you still have to sit and watch it.

Anemone:

Not all change is progress, just as not all movement is forward.

Same goes for your argument. Just because something worked with a game does not mean it will work with any genre. That kind of sporadic story telling does not work with fighting games.

Stratoforce · 2011-07-19T20:30:15.000Z

Anemone:

That’s not a full cut scene because it doesn’t “cut” away from gameplay. It’s a part of gameplay. Lack of control is gameplay itself when incorporated as an element of gameplay. Games can use control as a narative element, and the amount of control you give the player during gameplay is used as a narrative tool. Bioshock explores this in full, but no game quite makes use of it as well as
http://distractionware.com/blog/?p=759
Give it a shot and consider what it means when you lose control of a charecter.

Then they should have no trouble with MvC3, which as I’ve stated and showed over and over again, does indeed have a large part of tangental story telling.

Including is one thing, RELYING ON is another.

Not all change is progress, just as not all movement is forward.

Losing control of your character while a narrative goes on is the exact same thing as frame stills telling a story. You -aren’t playing your character during said time-. Frame stills don’t have any effect on game play at all. They happen before, or after a fight. I think you are just whining to whine. The narrative during a battle, or game play is akin to the chatter during a match. Again, not really any different than picking up a audio tape in Bioshock.

Karsticles · 2011-07-19T20:30:52.000Z

FYI gentlemen, something to look forward to:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995375-marvel-vs-capcom-3-fate-of-two-worlds/59775163

scytheavatar · 2011-07-19T20:31:34.000Z

Jamp:

Niitsuma wanted him in for the first game. If Marvel didn’t allow him back then, then his chances right now are slim to none.

Wasn’t it down more to the fact that they have problems putting a character of his size into the game engine?

Stratoforce · 2011-07-19T20:32:07.000Z

Karsticles:

FYI gentlemen, something to look forward to:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995375-marvel-vs-capcom-3-fate-of-two-worlds/59775163

Pretty sure we’ll have to wait to get the real news still.

FlameMasterAJ · 2011-07-19T20:32:19.000Z

Stratoforce:

Most of the marvel cast is far from anime-cliche in the game in their story lines already. Even a good bit of the Capcom cast is too. The Darkstalkers characters, Zero, Akuma, and Ryu are the only ones that actually come off as anime-cliche to me. Though, that is to be expected.

I wan’t implying that the MvC cast was cliche (but now that you brought it up, I see it now :P) I was saying the story mode probably wouldn’t be good at all, like BlazBlue’s. But if its what the fans want, I think Capcom should deliver considering they pretty much promised us it.

Poshib · 2011-07-19T20:32:46.000Z

This thread…sigh

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/facepalm/grand/disappointed_gif_44556.gif

GomuGomu · 2011-07-19T20:33:05.000Z

scytheavatar:

Wasn’t it down more to the fact that they have problems putting a character of his size into the game engine?

Sentinel says hello.

ZReport · 2011-07-19T20:33:38.000Z

Karsticles:

FYI gentlemen, something to look forward to:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995375-marvel-vs-capcom-3-fate-of-two-worlds/59775163

Oh snap.

TRUE_ORDER · 2011-07-19T20:33:47.000Z

http://twitter.com/#!/Ryota_Niitsuma/status/93350666537402368

It seems tomorrow at this time more or less, we’ll have official news…
HYPE!
EDIT: beaten by Karsticles lol

Drizzle_Bubble · 2011-07-19T20:34:05.000Z

FlameMasterAJ:

My wish list for MvC3 is this:

Spectator Mode

VS CPU Mode

Survival Mode

Time Attack (Or add a timer to Arcade Mode)

Score Attack Mode (Really hard preset battles, having like the last match have Magneto do his ROM loops and just be cheap)

Cross Team Mode (Online, play with friends controlling their respective character)

Team Mode (pit 3 players vs 3 player or more)

Lobby Customization (Make your own name, fix the timer, damage output)

I would love to have all those features, sadly it will never happen. I do rather have all this than a Story Mode, but it would be nice if they put it in for the fans who really wanted it.

MvC3 doesn’t have Vs CPU? That’s insane! What if you wanna practise offline?

My 1 wish for Super Ultimate Ball-licking Marvel Vs Capcom 3 is MOAR X FACTOR POWER!!!

Anemone · 2011-07-19T20:34:15.000Z

Gambit:

I mostly agree with this, but I think the bigger issue is that games, by definition, are primarily an interactive medium and not a storytelling medium. Games are an arrangement of rules, with tools created to work within that rule set towards an ultimate goal. By putting storytelling into the picture, it’s pretty much automatically becoming a hybrid media form.

The same can be said of movies too, and they as well struggled with how to tell a story in a way that uses films. Films are just a visual medium, and they too need no story to be what they are.
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The best scripts don’t make the best films. Story telling works as an audio form because it has the imaginative element to it. I tell you of a man walks into a bar, and you are picturing a man walking into a bar. You see him, you see the bar, you fill in the gaps. With film, you see the man and you see the bar, so a lot context is loss. Instead it shouldn’t be about a guy walking into a bar, but about THAT GUY walking into the THAT BAR, with the story being told from that instead of the story itself. It’s something film struggled with for years until Citizen Kane became recognized as it was, for developing and perfecting the visual techniques to tell a story.

Jamp · 2011-07-19T20:34:41.000Z

Karsticles:

FYI gentlemen, something to look forward to:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995375-marvel-vs-capcom-3-fate-of-two-worlds/59775163

Seems like they are afraid of leaks, so they’ll be taking the initiative. Haha.

scytheavatar:

Wasn’t it down more to the fact that they have problems putting a character of his size into the game engine?

Hulk, Sentinel?

Super_Crow · 2011-07-19T20:34:57.000Z

See, I would love to have context when it comes to the CG Episodes we got pre-release, but I know that won’t ever happen. But I don’t really care, MvC3 doesn’t need a story to keep me interested, and most fighting games don’t need one. As much as I would like one, it doesn’t bother me, because I know storytelling in a fighting game isn’t the most important thing about it.

evilweevle · 2011-07-19T20:35:09.000Z

Stratoforce:

Wrong. The game has plenty of mini-cut scenes. Like watching the big daddy and the little sister for the first time, and the guy getting drilled into the wall. Just one example.

i wouldnt call those cutscenes exactly, since you can just walk away/look at the wall/ceiling throughout those bits.

id probably say a cutscene is something you have no control over at all. I think the bit mentioned above would be a set-piece to get really specific. Im not arguing etc, just disagreeing really.