Looked painfully slow

[Citrus_monkey]

I don’t see this ‘‘slow as molasses’’ gameplay everyone seems to be talking about. After looking at SFIV, I feel like the speed is not much different. SFIII is faster than this, that is for sure. Regardless of actual in game data or whatnot, it’s visibly clear. We have to give time to the game and understand it’s intricacies before we say that it’s slow. Do remember that there’s considerably more(recoverable) chip damage and counter hits seems to be the name of the name of the game. The dev team might have purposefully slowed the game down just a tad bit so that the actual game speed functions well in conjunction with these new(or revamped) features.

Regardless, I don’t think it’s as slow as people are making it out to be. Look at the HD gameplay trailers and you’ll see. The taipei screen footage looks slow but it’s more of a quality/illusion thing that is making people think the game will look and play like it did in the video. It won’t. that video is deceptive. I do wish they had tried a more stylized approach, maybe somewhere between the extremely cell-shaded GGxrd and the current realism they’re going for…but I don’t think it looks bad. I’m actually appreciating the gritty battle feeling this game has so far, akin to the KI series. What I mean is that when someone gets hit it looks the part, it looks brutal. Not like in SFIV when the sound effects and animation for getting hit make you feel like you’re hitting an old wooden board.

[Projectjustice]

I just dont understand how anyone can be failing horribly when the game is only 10% of being complete. Speaking as if this is a finished product.

Its like some of you guys never created anything or worked on something that requires time and a process.

This is why Companies dont pay attention to forums. Im glad they dont cause I bet you when the game is complete all this bitching and moaning taking place now would be all for nothing.

[FeistyFree]

I just dont understand how anyone can be failing horribly when the game is only 10% of being complete. Speaking as if this is a finished product.

Its like some of you guys never created anything or worked on something that requires time and a process.

This is why Companies dont pay attention to forums. Im glad they dont cause I bet you when the game is complete all this bitching and moaning taking place now would be all for nothing.

Let me try to explain how I see this:

It was said that the game is already 10-20% finished and we get to see this trailer and those two exhibitions that look (graphically) “overwhelming” with detailed animations and particals everywhere (not so sure about this…)
and, well, people PLAYED the game already. So when people can already play the game, the 80% that may be missing are characters, stages and menus. Gameplay is finished with those 20% that are done and make the game playable.

That is probably the reason why people complain as if the product is already finished.

[Projectjustice]

I just dont understand how anyone can be failing horribly when the game is only 10% of being complete. Speaking as if this is a finished product.

Its like some of you guys never created anything or worked on something that requires time and a process.

This is why Companies dont pay attention to forums. Im glad they dont cause I bet you when the game is complete all this bitching and moaning taking place now would be all for nothing.

Let me try to explain how I see this:

It was said that the game is already 10-20% finished and we get to see this trailer and those two exhibitions that look (graphically) “overwhelming” with detailed animations and particals everywhere (not so sure about this…)
and, well, people PLAYED the game already. So when people can already play the game, the 80% that may be missing are characters, stages and menus. Gameplay is finished with those 20% that are done and make the game playable.

That is probably the reason why people complain as if the product is already finished.

Yet it still make no sense. When we watched Diago vs Gamerbee play they had no idea what they were doing. They didnt even get a chance to practice before the match.
Personally I dont see a problem with the gamespeed. It looks the same as SF4. What I do notice is the game is so much more animation heavy than SF4. Its like its SF3 in 3D. Which can give the illusion of slowness in a 3D environment. Can they speed up the game a bit? Sure they could but we need to find out a lot more about the fighting meta game and sub engines before that can be determined.

So many things can change and will change. Gameplay isnt finished, nothing is finished untill the game is released.

[cazetta]

I doubt the mechanics are fully ready.

[AsteriskBlue]

Yeah but at the same time they ate not showing us footage for no reason. What we’ve seen will probably be pretty close to the final product.

There are some interesting things in the matches they’ve shown us…it’s just theres also some stuff that doesn’t look so good.

[Citrus_monkey]

I just dont understand how anyone can be failing horribly when the game is only 10% of being complete. Speaking as if this is a finished product.

Its like some of you guys never created anything or worked on something that requires time and a process.

This is why Companies dont pay attention to forums. Im glad they dont cause I bet you when the game is complete all this bitching and moaning taking place now would be all for nothing.

Let me try to explain how I see this:

It was said that the game is already 10-20% finished and we get to see this trailer and those two exhibitions that look (graphically) “overwhelming” with detailed animations and particals everywhere (not so sure about this…)
and, well, people PLAYED the game already. So when people can already play the game, the 80% that may be missing are characters, stages and menus. Gameplay is finished with those 20% that are done and make the game playable.

That is probably the reason why people complain as if the product is already finished.

Yet it still make no sense. When we watched Diago vs Gamerbee play they had no idea what they were doing. They didnt even get a chance to practice before the match.
Personally I dont see a problem with the gamespeed. It looks the same as SF4. What I do notice is the game is so much more animation heavy than SF4. Its like its SF3 in 3D. Which can give the illusion of slowness in a 3D environment. Can they speed up the game a bit? Sure they could but we need to find out a lot more about the fighting meta game and sub engines before that can be determined.

So many things can change and will change. Gameplay isnt finished, nothing is finished untill the game is released.

I’ve been trying to make the same points you have, mainly because they seem fairly obvious to understand but there’s this constant influx of negativity regarding the game, regardless of how many people keep stating that we know very little about the game and it’s actual speed at this point. When we see people that know how to PROPERLY play the game we will be able to tell if it is indeed too slow. Way, way too early to decide that now.

[Ki_Shima]

the reason it looks slow is because the hitboxes are smaller and the reaction to hits are more emotive.

the problem is the visual memory (which holds loads of gameplay memories) is conflicted in the viewer so they believe the game is slower than it actually is. third strike is often believed to be a better game than 4 and 5 seems to share the same speed as 3.

think people are gonna have to see more characters for a reliable judge on the gameplay

[Projectjustice]

Yeah but at the same time they ate not showing us footage for no reason. What we’ve seen will probably be** pretty close to the final product**.

There are some interesting things in the matches they’ve shown us…it’s just theres also some stuff that doesn’t look so good.

10% is the official number but to you its pretty close to final? What in the world!? lol

If SFV is pretty much close to final why isnt it going to be released in 2 months? Why do we have to wait till 2016? It cant be the roster since the roster will remain small. It just doesnt add up that the game is over a year away. Just doesnt add up for a game thats pretty much close to final.

[img]http://media.eventhubs.com/images/2011/12/1_alpha06.jpg[img]

Well all know this is what SF4 ended up looking like right? lol

[blufang]

Trailers for future games are meant to hype up the audience. Fighting games are no exception. SFV fails to do so in gameplay or presentation.

[AsteriskBlue]

I don’t think I explained myself well enough. Im saying its likely close because they are showing matches. Creating other characters (a giant portion of the work of a fighting game), stages, modes, recording voices, and then tesing everything is a ton of work, yeah, but they could still decide a ton about how the basic fighting system will work already and just tweak it as the rest of the game fleshes out. This is what I think is happening. Its also what has happened with a few other recent fighting games.

An example of this is tekken 7 after the 1st location test Harada the game was maybe at the halfway mark, yet the release of the game in arcades was scheduled for 6-7 months after that, with out any drastic changes.

[Duaie]

@Projectjustice
These images are irrelevant, that was the prototype version of SF4, not what they revealed to the public. Prototype is a much earlier stage than what’s been shown with SF5, it’s like -20% completion.

If you want a fair comparison, you have to consider the first public version of SF4. Which was also bad, but if you noticed almost all of the animations were definitive and the only things that changed were the faces and the color saturation.

Also, Capcom said it was 20% complete (not 10%). With that, it probably means they still need to work on the netcode, balance, story mode, menus, all the offline and online modes, music, testing, etc. The gameplay we’ve seen is likely not that different than what we’re going to play, sadly.

[cazetta]

You are just assuming things. We just can’t have that sure.

[Darklightjg1]

I’d rather the concerns about speed be voiced now than when it actually is too late to potentially do anything about it or at least showcase adequate footage to put people at ease.

[Futurespect]

Even though it has detailed animation meshes running at 60fps SF4 apes the same style. The artists made sure that SF4 animations startup very quickly, strike a pose during the hitpause, and then recover quickly with a similar pacing to classic Street Fighter. There’s little emphasis on the animated movement between poses because it’s done so fast, which is the big distinction between SF4 and other 3D fighters like Tekken.

SF5 looks like it throws that in the bin. Visually we’re seeing a lot of emphasis being put into the transitional movement from pose to pose and not on the stationary hitpause ‘shape’. Of course you can’t put a lot of emphasis on that animation unless you give the characters time to move and animate, so the attacks have to be slowed down in order to accommodate lengthy animations. Where it starts to look odd is that they’ve attempted to keep semi-quick startup on most of these attacks, so the extra animation work is back-loaded into the attack recovery… Watching the gameplay here you can see that for most of the heavier normals and specials there’s this whacky thing going on where character attacks come out pretty snappy, and then right as the active portion of the attack starts the character suddenly decides he’s not playing Street Fighter any more and it turns into a flowing Virtua Fighter recovery animation. Apparently it takes 5 frames to stick your foot out and 50 frames to pull it back in again.

Good summation. The best-of-both-worlds solution is 120 fps, but most of today’s consumers have 60 Hz panels.

There’s also the problem of LCDs’ retinal persistence and very poor motion resolution. Panasonic’s plasmas were finally hitting sub-20s for input lag when they were discontinued, alongside MRs that were three times those of non-strobing LCDs. 120 fps was too much for the hardware when CRTs were common, but we’re now stuck with that generation’s standard due to modern screens.

If fighting games are still going in ten years, we should be able to enjoy one that runs at 120, as smooth as it is quick.

[YorKeY]

Honestly i’m still worried, the game got announced last year, and to me, 2016 seems pretty damn early for Street Fighter V. SF5 was the last game everyone expected, well not last, but i know for a fact most people expected a cross over game, Capcom Fighting Evolution/Fighting Jam 2, or Alpha 4, before they expected a new main line Street Fighter game. I recall Yoshinori Ono saying something about "We hoped for a late 2015 release, but that is starting to become less, and less likely. (If they are truly 20 something percent done, well by now 30 something percent done right?) why would 2015 even be a possibility? Every time we see those Alpha SF4 images, it does tend to make us feel better though, so i’m not counting this game out yet. O_O But i promised myself, if it’s bad, I WILL NOT BUY IT, no matter how much of the Capcom drug i have in me tells me to. They already got me to buy Revelations 2 on PC, that has no local COOP as promised, optimization, and stuttering issues. I just can’t do this anymore, i can’t. I really want this game to succeed, also want it to have a good net code, why do fighting games have to be so internet intensive, they’re already hard as it is to get into. >.>

[Maxman]

Honestly i’m still worried, the game got announced last year, and to me, 2016 seems pretty damn early for Street Fighter V. SF5 was the last game everyone expected, well not last, but i know for a fact most people expected a cross over game, Capcom Fighting Evolution/Fighting Jam 2, or Alpha 4, before they expected a new main line Street Fighter game. I recall Yoshinori Ono saying something about "We hoped for a late 2015 release, but that is starting to become less, and less likely. (If they are truly 20 something percent done, well by now 30 something percent done right?) why would 2015 even be a possibility? Every time we see those Alpha SF4 images, it does tend to make us feel better though, so i’m not counting this game out yet. O_O But i promised myself, if it’s bad, I WILL NOT BUY IT, no matter how much of the Capcom drug i have in me tells me to. They already got me to buy Revelations 2 on PC, that has no local COOP as promised, optimization, and stuttering issues. I just can’t do this anymore, i can’t. I really want this game to succeed, also want it to have a good net code, why do fighting games have to be so internet intensive, they’re already hard as it is to get into. >.>

I believe the reason why Revelations sucks ass on PC is because it was not done by Qloc , instead some other 3rd Party Porting House

Street Fighter 5 is a pretty big release for Capcom I guess, I think Capcom is taking it’s job seriously this time around, going as far as rolling out a Beta Program to collect fan feedback on the game and tune the game accordingly

This is good , We can have hopefully have a good look at the netcode and the game in general and we can provide feedback to iron out the issues that we encounter in the Beta

I am cautiously Optimistic on this one, this is a Mainline SF game, Capcom can’t afford to mess anything up, for many people in the FGC
it is THE Fighting Game, So Far everything we have seen, from the initial PSX announcement Trailer to Charlie reveal trailer looks good
Really loving what I am seeing so far
and I am almost certain that they will speed up the Game’s Pace in order to address the issues

[Cestus]

@Projectjustice
These images are irrelevant, that was the prototype version of SF4, not what they revealed to the public. Prototype is a much earlier stage than what’s been shown with SF5, it’s like -20% completion.

If you want a fair comparison, you have to consider the first public version of SF4. Which was also bad, but if you noticed almost all of the animations were definitive and the only things that changed were the faces and the color saturation.

Also, Capcom said it was 20% complete (not 10%). With that, it probably means they still need to work on the netcode, balance, story mode, menus, all the offline and online modes, music, testing, etc. The gameplay we’ve seen is likely not that different than what we’re going to play, sadly.

This

Better complain now that they’re still in time to fix shit, once the game is out there is little they can do and even that little will cost them money wich will make them even more reluctant

Also aside hype building, you show stuff to get audience feedback.
As bitching it sound, is way more constructive point at shit now than just let them do and then say game sucks when it’s done

As now the game have some wierd flow/pace problem, some peoples even compared it to shitty wfg stuff like MK/KI, it’s some serious blasphemy lol
If they can fix it, we will get a better SFV and hopefully they will get more $$$… pre-launch bitching will be forgot and everybody win

[Cestus]

Honestly i’m still worried, the game got announced last year, and to me, 2016 seems pretty damn early for Street Fighter V.

Announcement day is usually related to when they plan to finish the product, and how many months they want the audience to wait/get hyped for it

You don’t know when they started working on it, how many peoples are involved, how much Sony $ are helping the development

[StockyJam]

just my theory:
maybe the SF game engines keep getting perpetually slowed down with each iteration of SF to help disguise the awful lag of the input delay netcode which also gets laggier with each iteration.

just a sinister thought.

Spoiler

just kiddin, lol