Agreed 100%.

We should condemn Islam.

Particularly all of its radical elements.

Particularly the mentality that belief in such a thing gives one license to be a borderline medieval shithead.

Nope, religion has had special protection for centuries because they could burn anyone who criticized it at the stake. If religion is good, it will stand on its merits and condemnations and criticisms will be shown to be invalid. As is though, if you look at the kill count racked up by the desert dogma religions, it is very high. If the moderate believers do not vehemently condemn the actions of their fundie bretheren, they are implicitly giving support for it. Thus they should be condemned as well.

Sorry if that’s such a difficult concept for you to grasp.

I am hoping that he is attempting a distinction between the people of themselves, and the thought cancer that they adhere to, and ultimately act upon.

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But people keep telling us we’re imagining shit…

Actually, a few imams (those willing to make the usual vitriolic speeches about it) say it’s not the same god, and the truly devout hold us in contempt for saying so, calling us blasphemers in the televised sermons our imported arabic muslims were/are raised on (even though they themselves started said blasphemy to assure us that our religions could co-exist). What they tell you to your face, however…is just what you want to hear. Allah had no sons. Christ did. Simple math. 2 different deities.

Can’t believe this shit started cuz 2 brothers in the bible couldn’t get along (Ishmael and Isaac).

Good call.

On not believing that shit, I mean.

Islam was invented by Mohammad.

He devised the whole “relation to Israel through relation to the bastard son of a servant” in order to unite the largely inter-related goat herding savages around him into a tight knit “tribe” of “sons of Ishmael” who then went about a god ordained mandate (as per what Mohammad told them) of conquest, murder, rape, pillaging, and slavery, in said god’s name.

Because Allah had some serious plans for those goat herders.

Or was revealed to Mohammad by Allah.

During an epileptic fit.

Or rapture.

Whatever.

I’m going to keep this simple for you, since you seem to be lost in your own little world…

Prove it. What actions have they taken that has even come close in implementing their “nastier” part of their charter. If anything, Hamas has been maintaining the status quo for some time, since they aren’t excatly in a position to do much.

You make it sound as if Palestinians despise the Jews of Israel for the mere sake of them being Jewish. Showing animosity towards a group of people that has opressed you for over a century is going to naturally show up in different forms, whether it be on the grounds of religion, skin color and etc… I don’t see Hamas or even the PLO on mass calling for the death of Jews around the world.

You are right, the side with a national army and superior power is the lesser of two evils in this case. Hell, one only has to look at the complete disproportionate force Israel likes to use. One merely has to look at the history of Israel to see this, especially in Lebanon and Gaza. In fact, the people of Israel elected Sharon to the post of Prime Minister, the man who was personally found responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacre. Surely Israel is a righteous nation…

No matter what you want to call them, you can not ignore the Palestinian diaspora. The fact that almost half of all Palestinians live outside their traditional homeland as a result of the formation of Israel speaks for itself. The Palestinian people weren’t “created” out of nowhere. If anything, the state of Israel would not exist today if it wasn’t for Western European powers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

You make it sound as if the Palestinians have a national army of some sort and can actually defend themselves. Let us look at some numbers here during the 2008-2009 siege of Gaza:

1400 Palestinians killed(Mostly Civilians according to most reputable sources)
13 Israelis killed(Of which 10 were military(Four were killed by friendly fire) and 3 were civilians)

I think the ratio speaks for itself. Israel can claim all it wants with regards to trying to avoid civilian deaths, but in the end the numbers speak for themselves…

If this isn’t the unequivocal definition of bigorty, than I don’t know what is :clapdos:

I’m done arguing with you here. I’ve had this conversation time and time again with far more intelligent posters than you. It’s very clear to me that your obtuse view of things are not going to change anytime soon.

I long for the day when the rest of the monotheistic religions from the middle east go the way gnosticism, and the dodo.

Uh…have you been actually looking? They’ve said so, muslim clerics said so, and yes, it would seem that palestinians hate jews simply because according to the clerics, jews are the enemy of allah, eternally.

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And the Hadith? canadian accent That there’s a real hoot, eh.

People will be violent with or without religion. The people that use their religion for violence are just using it as a tool to justify it.

If they weren’t religious they would find some other justification.

Resorting to childish insults already? What a shame.

I dunno. Their constant rocket attacks against civilians look like attempts at implementing their charter. As you say, they aren’t in a position to do much. But they do as much as they can.

Don’t they despise them merely for being Jewish?

They did not react with such anger when Turks ruled their land. They did not react with such anger when the British ruled their land. They only reacted with anger at the thought of Jews living there.

BTW, can you please tell me why there are no modern Native American or Aboriginal Australian terrorists of any note? Is it because the Palestinians actually are unusually violent? Or is it because the Americans and Australians were much more brutal than the Israelis in their suppression of native unrest?

Compared to every nation in a similar situation, Israel acts with restraint.

Let us look at the US. When terrorists attacked the US, the Americans invaded two countries (one of which had nothing to do with the incident), toppled both of their governments, killed God knows how many civilians and kept their troops there fore ten years after the danger to the US had passed.

What does Israel do? Respond to attacks in kind with airstrikes that last for a couple of weeks, or however long it takes to get the other lot to stop.

Yes, compared to some other countries, Israel is a model of restraint. You show me one other powerful nation that reacts with such restraint when attacked by foreign powers (Europeans don’t count; they’re pussies).

I wonder why over half of the Jews live outside their traditional homeland? Never mind.

But tell me, when was Palestine treated as a nation by the Arabs or Turks? I don’t think it ever was. In fact, the inhabitants of the British mandate of Palestine considered the land they were living in to be nothing other than a part of Syria in the Paris Peace Conference. It was only after the creation of the Mandate that a distinct Palestinian identity began to be created, and the idea of the Palestinians as a distinct people did not fully take hold until the 1960s. I recommend that you learn some of the region’s history; it’s fascinating.

Interestingly enough, the idea of a state of Palestine owes its existence to Zionism.

What do they tell us?

That the Palestinians can’t aim? That their rockets are crappy? That the Israelis have better medical care? That they’re better prepared for attack? So what?

More Germans and Japanese died than Brits or Americans in WWII. Numbers of dead say jack shit about who was the good guy.

BTW, the numbers you give of Palestinian dead are the upper estimates. Upper estimates given by the Palestinians themselves, I believe.

If you took that seriously, then you’re even stupider than I thought.

If you didn’t, but are acting as if you did, then you’re even more dishonest than I thought.

Taking your ball and going home, huh? Don’t be mad just because you lost.

Is that so?

Did you also throw hissy fits with them?

It’s clear to me that your obtuse view of things is not going to change soon.

Nor is your failure to distinguish between singular and plural.

I usually don’t post on threads like this on the internet because of all the inmature haters and absurd claims from people of both sides (ignorant fanatics), you usually find a lot of people talking crap of other people beliefs because they think that everything on the internet is the absolute truth and they think they are the most smart people of the planet while they stay there exposing themselves as the same people they claim to hate, but i want to point something on this.

By human nature is really hard to agree with other people but it doesn’t stop you to have special bonds with people of different beliefs, i’m from a religious minority and i had hard times in my country because of Christians and Atheists, my father was kidnapped by guerrilla soldiers during the conflict years ago, just because he had some books about his religion, all these soldiers were atheists that believed that religious people were manipulated by our own beliefs in order to rule society and according to them we were a threat, after some years i had the opportunity to study at the college and i became an engineer, and one of my best friends is an atheist that respects me as a person and knows all the things that i’m capable as a person, we both know that we have different point of views but in the end we want a better place to live, after all these things people don’t see me saying that we must destroy XXXXX religion or group or “because of that bastard we must hate all the group”, no, we can share ideas and get some nice conversations, my father never appeared and because of that you don’t see me talking shit about others and making generalizations.
The real problem are the people that likes prejudices and hate like some posters here, the man has free will and it doesn’t matter which school of thought you believe, these people are the worst kind of persons and they are the reason of why these things happen, because of that, you people are nothing special, this is the internet when people thinks they are more intelligent than the others, some people get defensive when someone points their errors but ironically they have the right to talk crap and condemning things as the judges of the absolute truth.

Sorry for my post, but my point is that people can be reasonable and live on peace no matter what they believe, unfortunately everyone is product of his own environment, and these things take time to understand.

What’s the point of this post anyways? it brings nothing more than hate, although is good to condemn all sorts of extremism in this world, this is the real enemy.

PD: don’t bother to reply, thanks.

You sir, are the winner here.

Only religion can create promises and rationales solely on the basis of logical fallacies and completely blind faith. It’s much harder to goad someone to be suicide bomber, martyr, crusader, or genocidal mass murderer without some false ideology to drive them.

Religion didn’t create violence, but merely mastered its use.

I tend to agree, but religion can’t master anything because it’s merely a concept. Sorry if it sounds like I’m picking at straws here.

My experience says otherwise, unlike some other people, i’ve experimented it by myself.

You need to read more about human history, the history of war or experimenting this by yourself, after all, you people are only spectators in your countries, is really silly to negate a lot of crimes against humanity that atheists have made and pointing others as the enemies of humanity, considering how the people in this thread is i’m not surprised to see these closed minded arguments, i have nothing against them i respect them a lot even more than other religious people, but you people make extreme generalizations.

Mastered violence? you really know what are you talking about? i think not…

You people are incredibly biased, is amazing seriously.

Case closed, bye.

I didn’t think I needed to specify. And religious ideals are concepts given physical form- via priests, monuments, or scripture.

God created everything the way it is. Now everything makes sense. Right?

Deists don’t even agree.

God is testing them before sending them to hell. Forever for all eternity. That’s a really long time.

I found one of those “It gets better” google vids from the 1940’s, only it was for Jewish people instead of gays.

One day. At least Latinos got upgraded to Caucasian status this year. Congrats again, my white brothers.