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Q win streaks are gross.

Especially when you beast just to lose to a Ken. Hahah. Gotta love 3S.

Ah, well hey there Jason, I knew I’d seen a random Q guy around these parts. :smiley:

Well shit, at least it wasn’t a Chun :wink:

I honestly don’t view Chun worse than Ken. I feel like Ken’s the “stylish/acceptable” top tier cause it’s believed he requires more skill or something. I think they (top tiers) all require skill. As a Dudley player, I’d very rather much fight a Chun just cause I can do bomb ass juggles on her. Assuming I get to sweep her hahah. That’s the one thing I dislike about 3S as a game that’s supposed to have so many playable/fun characters. Yeah you can be good, beastly even with certain characters but at the end of the day, what does it matter in the face of the top tier? I understand character preference and all that and that’s a perfectly acceptable reason to wanna use the characters you do. But I simply couldn’t imagine using anyone who’s not as good as Dudley, and even he has his fuckin horrible matchups (basically against anyone who has good defense). And even though Dudley’s my main, I have Chun Li in my pocket just because I think for everyone who isn’t Japanese or lives in Japan, or lives by FFA or something, it’s REALLLY fuckin hard to just use a high/mid, mid, or low tier character by themselves.

Well that’s about it for my 3S rant, I’m in desperate need of sleep.

Chun is SO much worse than Ken. :razz: She’s lacking an anti-air and that’s about it. Less hit confirms but the only one she needs is so easy and it takes off a lot more life. Better pokes. Ridiculous kara throw. Tiny fucking crouching hitbox…

Q is UNSTOPPABLE!~! once he gets those taunts, I’m tellin’ ya. Anyway, does Jason ever not get a win streak with whoever he picks though? Is he the same guy who gets the Chun win streaks (hence saying at least it’s not chun)? :lol:

I think Chun gets harder to play overtime. I think you have to dedicate yourself to her to be good at a high level believe it or not. Easy to win at lower levels, harder to win with at higher levels. She has 3 hit confirms that are really good. Close standing rh and f+rh are good confirms imo, people forget about them though. I think she gets hard cause how do you consistently get damage if people just duck all the time? Kara throw them 4930584098x? Sooner or later you HAVE to super them, so you have to get into range where uoh, super hits. But naturally people would look for that, unless they’re stupid. I feel like the world is gonna end when I don’t have supers with Chun. Ken can at least fight without a super. What’s Chun gonna do? There’s no legitimate reason to duck against a Chun with no super.

I dunno I just think a lot of people around here hate Chun Li to where only Justin and Jason will pick her. And she’s not their main character. Not good from an exposure standpoint imo. Someone up here needs to use her I think. Like USE her use her. Now that I think about it, no one up here uses Yun except King, and he’s hardly ever around. Well JMar does but he hasn’t been playing hahah. Imagine if no one in Seattle played Sentinel in Marvel…that’d be pretty ugly.

It would be beautiful. I’d play more Marvel. :sweat:

:razz:

Q-Jason and Oro/Chun-Jason are two different people.

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Oh, okay. :lol: Jason’s are top tier.

Starting to get feeling back in my hands again. Feels nice since they been numb since Sept.

Hopefully one of these days I can say what’s up to you guys…soon…

The Chun comment was mostly a joke. I know the big three take tons of skill to play properly.

But this got me thinking though, where is all the top tier play around here? Are people really afraid to pick them because people hate them?
I wish I could get practice against them (although, I have enough trouble against low tier :sad:)

People probably don’t use top tier characters because they don’t have to. We’re not at evo, and if you can use basic shit to waste your comp it doesn’t matter. What’s more, if I can’t beat you why should I migrate up in tier when I’m already above you? Compensating for skill with tier-abuse is not good, as it leads to tier-abuse+skill retaliation.

Ever see a random chun play jason and get anywhere? You better believe he’s gonna pull the most bitch ass unblockable shit or switch to chun or something.

No offense to justin but his game is fucking random. He only uses akuma because he can’t hit confirm for shit. If he did the shit he did with ken he’s lose a lot more matches, it’s just harder to punish the fireball supers. Also he just spams hella long strings in an effort to keep you blocking. I’m not saying he’s bad or that I’m better, but he uses too many random guess shit. He even accused me of cheating one time because I did j.RH at the start of a match and nailed him.

I don’t really think that there’s anybody in WA playing top tier characters that couldn’t be beat by a high tier character with a solid game.

I play ken/yun, but you’ll almost never see me pull that shit, because it’s just a cop-out for personal development. You can’t just move up tier every time you run out of ideas.

She has decent life, good stun bar, fucked up pokes, impossible kara-throw, and her super is wrong. It shouldn’t have two stocks or be that hard to parry in a chip ko situation. As for the juggle comments chun only juggles well for some. Makoto cannot fist that bitch with the 100% stun for the life of her. She’s about the only character that can escape it.

I do think ken takes more work then chun and she is significantly further ahead in terms of the big 3 breakdown. It takes about 30 seconds to learn to play tournament level chun. Kara-throw and hit confirm super. Spam normals that do the latter or set up the former, only parry the obvious, block low, and when they get close tech throws.

At least yun has pages upon pages of character specific memorization and requires a lot of tricky improvisation. You never really know when your combo is going to lift off sometimes so you have to be able to adapt.

I must disagree…

You’re right, we aren’t at Evo, but what happens WHEN we go to Evo (for us that do go)? We’re gonna run into three hundred million top tier players. At the last Evo I went to, I lost to a Yun (Mopreme) and a Ken. In the process I beat a Ryu and a Necro. Surprising?? Shouldn’t be.

As far as the tiers thing…I don’t really get what your point is. You said “What’s more, if I can’t beat you why should I migrate up in tier when I’m already above you??” Above me as in using a better character or above me as in you’re a better player than me? I’m guessing you mean the former cause it doesn’t make sense for you to be the better player if you keep losing to me. Why isn’t picking a better character a better situation for a player who may not be that great? A lot of weaker characters require a lot of skill and talent to use. Picking the best characters give you the best chances to win a lot of the time. Never anything wrong with that. There are people who succeed with the characters they use (because that’s who they’re good with example Zach with Megaman in MARVEL), and there are people who can only succeed with top tier. As far as the Jason vs Chun thing, I’ve never seen Jason fight a Chun before, but I have seen him fight LTB (who we all know uses Ken) and Jason’s (not the asian one) the homie but when I saw them play it wasn’t tooo pretty.

It’s very possible for anyone using top tier to lose to anyone who’s good with their characters. But you say that as if the best players here are the ones using the non top tier. I know you haven’t been around here that long, and that you’re stating the obvious from what you’ve seen. I’m not knockin that at all. But just about everyone here knows the best is LTB and King in Seattle and they use top tier. Hell LTB (I’m givin him too much props) has beaten peeps with Dudley and King has told me he’s been beaten up peeps with Twelve at GW. Surprising? No, because they’re good.

If you feel using top tier is a personal cop-out then I dunno what to tell you. I’m pretty sure a lot of really good top tier players can win with weaker players (as I stated up above) but why pick inferior characters in tourneys? Outside of say…personal preference? I just think 3S has this mirage to it where people get the wrong idea about the game. There’s a reason why there was like 6 Yuns, a Chun, and a Ken in last year’s top 8 at Evo. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a shit ton of fun ass characters. That’s why I use Dudley =].

Great games at Tim’s btw.

I’ve gotta add to the disagreements. Seriously, dude. You CANNOT learn to play ANY tournament-level character in less than a day. If you honestly think chun is that easy to play against better players, I’d like to see you try and beat my Necro with a Chun you learned in 10 mins. The thing is, she has a broken poke, a great super, and several useful hit confirms. Just that the low m.kick hit confirm is the best.

She requires a great deal of practice in order to learn her spacing and timing, as well as how to not get poked out of her pokes, which is all too easy for a better player. And Ken is probably the most easy to play of the top three, IMO.

I’m learning Yun, and I’ll go with him being the hardest to play. Everything is situational and his genei-jin combos are beastly even when I’m not getting many hits off of it. Just the super-short super gauge is cheap enough :rofl:

I see what you mean mandel but I still feel the same way.

Actually I’ve played ltb the one time he showed at gw recently. The rotation was thick and I had a bus to catch, but I did end up getting one match in. He took a close first round followed by me winning the second round and then I lost in a really close third round.

Make whatever daigo comments anyone feels necessary, but I think ltb is overrated. His shit is down solid yeah, but to be the best in wa doesn’t seem to be much since the 3s populous seems to be fairly small. You sort of win by default.

I’m thinking of going to that tourney on 3/10 I dunno if ltb will be there, but if he is hopefully I get another match to see how good he is.

I honestly have no idea who king is.

The comments saying there’s more to learn then just the hit confrims, kara-throws, and pokes, I say sure fine there is more to learn. However, those things every player ought to know and isn’t specific to chun. She has like no real character specific gameplay. It doesn’t matter because her shit works on everybody anyway.

I was playing billy last night at 3s after everyone left, and all he was really using was short short super. After a while it seemed like a one trick pony and he started losing. I’ve seen some of the ken players @ gw do nothing but the same as well. The only ken players I’ve seen play at gw that actually seem to have decent mix-ups were kyo84 or something like that and ltb. During the 28 q win streak I was tempted to pick ken, but it just felt like, why? I suppose my problem here is that I prefer a really good match over doing anything to win. Guess I’ll go practice yun juggles.

this is all coming from someone who couldn’t handle the beastly d-pad player, so he tried to convince me to use a stick because it was the “path to righteousness”.

(I kid I kid)

You were on your way, but the pad is blocking you from the promised land.

Remember this Gray Fox. Only a fully trained jedi knight, with the force as his ally, can conquer Vader.

So are you guys going to Gameworks on Thursday?

Debate aside. We ALL need to man-up and start playing more. I don’t care WHO you pick, jus’ know your strengths and weaknesses while keeping in mind of your opponents. To be perfectly honest, it bites to see time and energy devoted to tier talk and whatnot. That’s why I made the Constructive Criticism thread.

At the end of the dae, you gotta be the one doing what you want, or you ain’t shit. If you wanna win, do whatever you can to win. If you think you’re noble than fight like a gentlman. Step your fuckin’ game up.