KOF XIV General Discussion - King of Fighters XIV Arcade Ver. Burn 2 Fight cabinets from Taito!

[ReoGeoSRK]

According to Twitter user Nura Yagamai the interview between Oda & Famitsu is in the 10th place of weekly access articles in Famitsu.

Source :
https://twitter.com/NuraYagami/status/677045805782577152

I’m really impressed with Oda.

It really surprised me when the KOF XIV PSX trailer had as many views as it did. I wonder what’s with this sudden interest in KOF given its decline in commercial appeal over the years.

[Shishioh]

As much as CVS series has a nostalgia factor for me I’ll admit that I’ve always felt the game did a bad job combining Capcom/SNK into a cohesive whole. The grooves did a poor job representing their respective games, the SNK characters played nothing like how they’re suppose to and felt extremely nerfed, and the alpha sprites presented a graphical inconsistency that made the presentation felt lazy. Also CVS2 removed those awesome stage intros and the backgrounds in general really fell in terms of quality.

If CVS3 ever gets made it has to be a united effort and not just 1 company calling the shots.

Dunno, if you actually look at the tier list and current character representation, it’s about even for which characters are good from Capcom and SNK. For the bad SNK characters they did, they also did bad Capcom characters or even mediocre. At least at top level play, SNK had: Geese, Rock, Mai, Yamazaki, Rugal, Kim, Kyo, Iori, Joe, Hibiki, Vice. Even A-Chang is really viable, and we have character specialists like Yane for Terry and GAO for Nakoruru to get some representation. Benimaru would be up there if he had more life and did more damage, but his neutral game was solid. A-Todoh from what I heard was strong back in the day, but not popular for the past decade; I still run A-Todoh though and it’s fun and good with roll cancels.

They did a lot of unique things for the SNK cast, but it works out just fine in my opinion and they’re strong. I’m really partial to N-Kyo/Vice/Iori and use Vice to counter/check A-Blanka/Dictator teams and guard rolling to blow up sleeping A-Sakura players.

As for Capcom, they did a bad job with Kyosuke and nerfed Dhalsim compared to Alpha 3. Ryu just feels like a worse Ken and ends up being pretty mid-tier. Eagle doesn’t end up getting played much competitively, and Zangief takes work. Capcom characters seem really prevalent, but characters such as Sakura, Claw, and Dictator almost get exclusively played in A-Groove and are only super strong in A Groove where as you have a few characters such as Sagat and Cammy who are viable in multiple grooves due to their natural move set but end up not as prevalent in A Groove. Blanka is a legit good character who fits in C, A, N, and K Grooves. Then you have Dan as the throw away Capcom character.

In all, I think the only super bad SNK character is King, who was even nerfed from what she was in CVS1. Raiden takes work, but he can make it happen as evidenced by Desora and Bear. Yuri is alright but doesn’t do that much damage and her hit confirm is a bit difficult. People say that SNK characters play radically different from their usual styles kind of exaggerate things. The only big thing that stands out to me is how Joe uses mash punches in KOF is different than how it’s done in CVS2, especially if the player is used to roll canceling them. Kyo’s combos are different visually, but instead of doing cr.LK into cl.HP combos, I just do cr.LK cr.LK cr.MP link instead of the KOF link just the same. Iori does cr.LK cancels like KOF95 although he doesn’t do it in KOF98. Mai’s qcb+P is more unsafe on block unlike KOF, but her general spacing game is the same. Athena is the same except they made cr.HP not cancelable and made it the god poke instead, and her Far MP and Far MK anti-air at the perfect spacing she needs them to anti-air.

The ironic thing is that Rock was bottom tier in Garou MOTW along with Tizoc and Freeman, but he’s actually high tier and viable in CVS2.

So dunno, people who say SNK characters got shafted in CVS2 tend to not really understand the game well or understand what makes the SNK characters not good within the context of the game. I’d say the SNK characters are good. It’s just that certain characters need more health or have easier/longer hit confirms to be able to convert into damage. On the flip side for certain Capcom characters, they need more health or get buffed up normals to be able to compete in top level play. Yun was pretty mid tier and what held him back in my opnion was damage output. Morrigan could contend and dish out the damage and mix-ups, but she was balanced to have lower health to compensate, similar to Rolento. So health held back those characters from being more proliferated.

As for the Grooves, I generally liked how they represented their series without bringing the dumb shit along with that series. If characters could get free guard cancels or even had TOP and breaks from Garou MOTW, K groove would have been really dumb and slow down the game. If P groove was as strong as 2i or 3s, a similar thing could have happened and kinda did happen in CVS2 EO. Allowing super cancels from specials made Geese do stupid damage on top of already being some what strong in P groove, in conjunction of most of the characters losing viability due to the loss of roll cancels. I think the only thing I didn’t like was how there was added recovery when characters commit to a hop attack and could only cancel the recovery into special attacks. I know Capcom was anxious about characters doing safe jumps through hops or having really strong offense because of it, but it limited which characters that could actually use hops and convert off of it and caused some discrepency. Akuma and Chun could more easily convert since Akuma’s tatsu started up quickly and hit crouchers from deep inside so his high/low game was strong where as other characters couldn’t do it (Chun could cancel the recovery into HK legs and link afterwards.) I’d say having the hops like KOF would have helped hops in CVS2, just balance characters like Sagat or Blanka to have floatier hops like how zoning characters tend to have floatier hops in KOF such as Mai and Joe.

That aside, I can picture Capcom and SNKP both doing their respective games well, the only issue with Capcom is the game feel. SFIV felt wack and SFV feels better although it could feel much better than the betas have felt. Sure, game feel is really subjective, but that’s the main thing that hinders my enjoyment of recent Capcom fighting games more than all the other BS in the games. I’m usually happy as long as there are good walk speeds and great normals on every character. That’s all I want, and Capcom sometimes delivers. SNKP dropped the ball with normals in XIII, but redeemed themselves with XIV (and I guess 98UM/FE and 02um.)

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With Arcsys and SNK, it’d pretty much be like a Last Blade 3 with more air mobility. Guilty Gear to me has always been the spiritual successor to the Last Blade series in game mechanics and game design, so the nice overlap would be some more elaborated Last Blade system.

The tier listing has very little to do with what we’re saying.

It’s the flaws in character and system design that’s the problem. The SNK characters feel devoid of their own feel because certain things were just left out, such as up to date move lists, certain move properties that were implemented to combat issues that certain characters have(such as autoguard), and ect, leading them to just feeling homogenized. It’s not a big problem to me anymore because I’ve accepted that Capcom couldn’t make the Capcom characters play different, so they toned down various aspects of the SNK side to make it more competitive. But at the same time, I completely understand the sentiment that CVS2 was a very lazy game in terms of making the two sides congruent.

The system/mechanics itself is the real problem. The Groove system was very lazy and biased if we look at it closely. Not only did the Capcom grooves have access to things that weren’t even in their flagship games(rolling), they completely diminish the intricacies of the the SNK game systems they based them on. A great example of this is the K-groove. Based MOSTLY(some of it was MOTW) on Samurai Spirits, it lacked any sort of dodging mechanic whatsoever. Any SS player can tell you that SS has had some sort of dodging mechanic since 2 iirc. It just seemed as if they didn’t take the time to truly look at how delicately made these subsystems were in their own environment, hence the “lazy” aspect.

The roster itself felt very political as well. Why would you purposely use outdated versions of characters for the SNK side while using mostly up to date versions of Capcom’s? Ryo is a good example of this. SNK had already re-established him as a bastion for the actual art of Kyokushin Karate by 96, but Capcom chose to illustrate him as the AOF/94 Ryo anyway, leading even new fans to say “Oh, he’s just a Ryu clone”. I find that very disrespectful in retrospect.

So when I see people say “We want CvS3, but we want Capcom to make it alone”, it’s like someone asking you to let someone else to borrow your personally handmade sword to use as a spear.

[Saitsu]

Yeah I’m still mad that Goodbye Esaka got the nod over Tears for XIII. I don’t mind Goodbye Esaka but it still rustled my jimmies and made me saltier than a fast food chain’s french fries.

[Be4r]

Most animé these days don’t even make money on their own and rely on merchandise sales to break even. An animé would just put unnecessary strain on SNK-P.

Well voice actors are treated like VIPs in Japan get paid stupid amounts of money. So merchandising is where it’s at. Which is why most animes have some stupid mascot character.

Hell the studio that did the animation for Samurai Champloo just went out of business

[ReoGeoSRK]

As much as CVS series has a nostalgia factor for me I’ll admit that I’ve always felt the game did a bad job combining Capcom/SNK into a cohesive whole. The grooves did a poor job representing their respective games, the SNK characters played nothing like how they’re suppose to and felt extremely nerfed, and the alpha sprites presented a graphical inconsistency that made the presentation felt lazy. Also CVS2 removed those awesome stage intros and the backgrounds in general really fell in terms of quality.

If CVS3 ever gets made it has to be a united effort and not just 1 company calling the shots.

Dunno, if you actually look at the tier list and current character representation, it’s about even for which characters are good from Capcom and SNK. For the bad SNK characters they did, they also did bad Capcom characters or even mediocre. At least at top level play, SNK had: Geese, Rock, Mai, Yamazaki, Rugal, Kim, Kyo, Iori, Joe, Hibiki, Vice. Even A-Chang is really viable, and we have character specialists like Yane for Terry and GAO for Nakoruru to get some representation. Benimaru would be up there if he had more life and did more damage, but his neutral game was solid. A-Todoh from what I heard was strong back in the day, but not popular for the past decade; I still run A-Todoh though and it’s fun and good with roll cancels.

They did a lot of unique things for the SNK cast, but it works out just fine in my opinion and they’re strong. I’m really partial to N-Kyo/Vice/Iori and use Vice to counter/check A-Blanka/Dictator teams and guard rolling to blow up sleeping A-Sakura players.

As for Capcom, they did a bad job with Kyosuke and nerfed Dhalsim compared to Alpha 3. Ryu just feels like a worse Ken and ends up being pretty mid-tier. Eagle doesn’t end up getting played much competitively, and Zangief takes work. Capcom characters seem really prevalent, but characters such as Sakura, Claw, and Dictator almost get exclusively played in A-Groove and are only super strong in A Groove where as you have a few characters such as Sagat and Cammy who are viable in multiple grooves due to their natural move set but end up not as prevalent in A Groove. Blanka is a legit good character who fits in C, A, N, and K Grooves. Then you have Dan as the throw away Capcom character.

In all, I think the only super bad SNK character is King, who was even nerfed from what she was in CVS1. Raiden takes work, but he can make it happen as evidenced by Desora and Bear. Yuri is alright but doesn’t do that much damage and her hit confirm is a bit difficult. People say that SNK characters play radically different from their usual styles kind of exaggerate things. The only big thing that stands out to me is how Joe uses mash punches in KOF is different than how it’s done in CVS2, especially if the player is used to roll canceling them. Kyo’s combos are different visually, but instead of doing cr.LK into cl.HP combos, I just do cr.LK cr.LK cr.MP link instead of the KOF link just the same. Iori does cr.LK cancels like KOF95 although he doesn’t do it in KOF98. Mai’s qcb+P is more unsafe on block unlike KOF, but her general spacing game is the same. Athena is the same except they made cr.HP not cancelable and made it the god poke instead, and her Far MP and Far MK anti-air at the perfect spacing she needs them to anti-air.

The ironic thing is that Rock was bottom tier in Garou MOTW along with Tizoc and Freeman, but he’s actually high tier and viable in CVS2.

So dunno, people who say SNK characters got shafted in CVS2 tend to not really understand the game well or understand what makes the SNK characters not good within the context of the game. I’d say the SNK characters are good. It’s just that certain characters need more health or have easier/longer hit confirms to be able to convert into damage. On the flip side for certain Capcom characters, they need more health or get buffed up normals to be able to compete in top level play. Yun was pretty mid tier and what held him back in my opnion was damage output. Morrigan could contend and dish out the damage and mix-ups, but she was balanced to have lower health to compensate, similar to Rolento. So health held back those characters from being more proliferated.

As for the Grooves, I generally liked how they represented their series without bringing the dumb shit along with that series. If characters could get free guard cancels or even had TOP and breaks from Garou MOTW, K groove would have been really dumb and slow down the game. If P groove was as strong as 2i or 3s, a similar thing could have happened and kinda did happen in CVS2 EO. Allowing super cancels from specials made Geese do stupid damage on top of already being some what strong in P groove, in conjunction of most of the characters losing viability due to the loss of roll cancels. I think the only thing I didn’t like was how there was added recovery when characters commit to a hop attack and could only cancel the recovery into special attacks. I know Capcom was anxious about characters doing safe jumps through hops or having really strong offense because of it, but it limited which characters that could actually use hops and convert off of it and caused some discrepency. Akuma and Chun could more easily convert since Akuma’s tatsu started up quickly and hit crouchers from deep inside so his high/low game was strong where as other characters couldn’t do it (Chun could cancel the recovery into HK legs and link afterwards.) I’d say having the hops like KOF would have helped hops in CVS2, just balance characters like Sagat or Blanka to have floatier hops like how zoning characters tend to have floatier hops in KOF such as Mai and Joe.

That aside, I can picture Capcom and SNKP both doing their respective games well, the only issue with Capcom is the game feel. SFIV felt wack and SFV feels better although it could feel much better than the betas have felt. Sure, game feel is really subjective, but that’s the main thing that hinders my enjoyment of recent Capcom fighting games more than all the other BS in the games. I’m usually happy as long as there are good walk speeds and great normals on every character. That’s all I want, and Capcom sometimes delivers. SNKP dropped the ball with normals in XIII, but redeemed themselves with XIV (and I guess 98UM/FE and 02um.)

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With Arcsys and SNK, it’d pretty much be like a Last Blade 3 with more air mobility. Guilty Gear to me has always been the spiritual successor to the Last Blade series in game mechanics and game design, so the nice overlap would be some more elaborated Last Blade system.

The tier listing has very little to do with what we’re saying.

It’s the flaws in character and system design that’s the problem. The SNK characters feel devoid of their own feel because certain things were just left out, such as up to date move lists, certain move properties that were implemented to combat issues that certain characters have(such as autoguard), and ect, leading them to just feeling homogenized. It’s not a big problem to me anymore because I’ve accepted that Capcom couldn’t make the Capcom characters play different, so they toned down various aspects of the SNK side to make it more competitive. But at the same time, I completely understand the sentiment that CVS2 was a very lazy game in terms of making the two sides congruent.

The system/mechanics itself is the real problem. The Groove system was very lazy and biased if we look at it closely. Not only did the Capcom grooves have access to things that weren’t even in their flagship games(rolling), they completely diminish the intricacies of the the SNK game systems they based them on. A great example of this is the K-groove. Based MOSTLY(some of it was MOTW) on Samurai Spirits, it lacked any sort of dodging mechanic whatsoever. Any SS player can tell you that SS has had some sort of dodging mechanic since 2 iirc. It just seemed as if they didn’t take the time to truly look at how delicately made these subsystems were in their own environment, hence the “lazy” aspect.

The roster itself felt very political as well. Why would you purposely use outdated versions of characters for the SNK side while using mostly up to date versions of Capcom’s? Ryo is a good example of this. SNK had already re-established him as a bastion for the actual art of Kyokushin Karate by 96, but Capcom chose to illustrate him as the AOF/94 Ryo anyway, leading even new fans to say “Oh, he’s just a Ryu clone”. I find that very disrespectful in retrospect.

So when I see people say “We want CvS3, but we want Capcom to make it alone”, it’s like someone asking you to let someone else to borrow your personally handmade sword to use as a spear.

I always hated how ryo was treated in CVS2. Additionally the remaining KOF characters were clearly based off their early iterations which made no sense given the game was released 2001. Also why bother including grooves that didn’t even play like the original. I mean why would C-groove have rolls it made no sense.

[Plaid_Unicorn]

According to Twitter user Nura Yagamai the interview between Oda & Famitsu is in the 10th place of weekly access articles in Famitsu.

Source :
https://twitter.com/NuraYagami/status/677045805782577152

I’m really impressed with Oda.

It really surprised me when the KOF XIV PSX trailer had as many views as it did. I wonder what’s with this sudden interest in KOF given its decline in commercial appeal over the years.

I think the world is thirsty for more fighters. KoF is dropping at a great time to try and lure newbies in.

[AirLancer]

I also wouldn’t mind if the fatal fury movie finally confirmed that geese is in fact the father of terry and rock.

What? Where did you ever get the idea that Geese is Terry’s father?

Also Rock is already confirmed to be Geese’s son, there’s no question about it.

As for if SNKP’s IPs were to be adapted into various media, it should retool the original timelines so that the characters can all be together, much as the KOF games did to FF and AoF’s timelines. If not, then you run into the issue of Ryo being significantly older than Terry. Also, FF should definitely be first since Terry’s probably the most well-known SNK character.

[Saitsu]

I also wouldn’t mind if the fatal fury movie finally confirmed that geese is in fact the father of terry and rock.

What? Where did you ever get the idea that Geese is Terry’s father?

Also Rock is already confirmed to be Geese’s son, there’s no question about it.

Just smile and nod at him man…just smile and nod…

[ReoGeoSRK]

I also wouldn’t mind if the fatal fury movie finally confirmed that geese is in fact the father of terry and rock.

What? Where did you ever get the idea that Geese is Terry’s father?

Also Rock is already confirmed to be Geese’s son, there’s no question about it.

As for if SNKP’s IPs were to be adapted into various media, it should retool the original timelines so that the characters can all be together, much as the KOF games did to FF and AoF’s timelines. If not, then you run into the issue of Ryo being significantly older than Terry. Also, FF should definitely be first since Terry’s probably the most well-known SNK character.

My bad I meant terry and Andy. Well a few things give that impression, terry and Andy are adopted and Andy happens to look identical to young geese to the point that you would think they are the same character. Also geese asked terry to take care of rock which doesn’t make sense given they were enemies. He would only ask him if there was some kind of connection and obviously it’s that it’s his younger brother. It would make sense and I personally think make the story more dramatic and intense. The fact that terry and andy never had their biological parents revealed is quite telling and I think bad SNK continued fatal fury games would eventually confirm geese is their dad.

[Niitris]

According to Twitter user Nura Yagamai the interview between Oda & Famitsu is in the 10th place of weekly access articles in Famitsu.

Source :
https://twitter.com/NuraYagami/status/677045805782577152

I’m really impressed with Oda.

It really surprised me when the KOF XIV PSX trailer had as many views as it did. I wonder what’s with this sudden interest in KOF given its decline in commercial appeal over the years.

I think the world is thirsty for more fighters. KoF is dropping at a great time to try and lure newbies in.

Being console exclusive helps. And that competitive fighters are gaining appeal to the mass public, with KoF being a respected franchise in that regard at least.

[Shishioh]

I also wouldn’t mind if the fatal fury movie finally confirmed that geese is in fact the father of terry and rock.

What? Where did you ever get the idea that Geese is Terry’s father?

Also Rock is already confirmed to be Geese’s son, there’s no question about it.

As for if SNKP’s IPs were to be adapted into various media, it should retool the original timelines so that the characters can all be together, much as the KOF games did to FF and AoF’s timelines. If not, then you run into the issue of Ryo being significantly older than Terry. Also, FF should definitely be first since Terry’s probably the most well-known SNK character.

My bad I meant terry and Andy. Well a few things give that impression, terry and Andy are adopted and Andy happens to look identical to young geese to the point that you would think they are the same character. Also geese asked terry to take care of rock which doesn’t make sense given they were enemies. He would only ask him if there was some kind of connection and obviously it’s that it’s his younger brother. It would make sense and I personally think make the story more dramatic and intense. The fact that terry and andy never had their biological parents revealed is quite telling and I think bad SNK continued fatal fury games would eventually confirm geese is their dad.

Has this been confirmed somewhere? If I remember correctly, Rock just followed Terry around and tried to fight him when he was a kid after Geese died.

[JohnGrimm]

I also wouldn’t mind if the fatal fury movie finally confirmed that geese is in fact the father of terry and rock.

What? Where did you ever get the idea that Geese is Terry’s father?

Also Rock is already confirmed to be Geese’s son, there’s no question about it.

As for if SNKP’s IPs were to be adapted into various media, it should retool the original timelines so that the characters can all be together, much as the KOF games did to FF and AoF’s timelines. If not, then you run into the issue of Ryo being significantly older than Terry. Also, FF should definitely be first since Terry’s probably the most well-known SNK character.

My bad I meant terry and Andy. Well a few things give that impression, terry and Andy are adopted and Andy happens to look identical to young geese to the point that you would think they are the same character. Also geese asked terry to take care of rock which doesn’t make sense given they were enemies. He would only ask him if there was some kind of connection and obviously it’s that it’s his younger brother. It would make sense and I personally think make the story more dramatic and intense. The fact that terry and andy never had their biological parents revealed is quite telling and I think bad SNK continued fatal fury games would eventually confirm geese is their dad.

Has this been confirmed somewhere? If I remember correctly, Rock just followed Terry around and tried to fight him when he was a kid after Geese died.

In the Fatal Fury timeline, after Terry kills Geese (which was an act of revenge after Geese killed Terry and Andy’s father Jeff Bogard), he saw that Geese had a son and decided to take it upon himself to raise the boy since he orphaned the kid. In the KoF timeline, Geese never dies and I have no idea what the fuck happened with Rock because I don’t think they’ve ever outright explained what the deal is.

[d3v]

If C-Groove didn’t have rolls, then it wouldn’t have roll cancels and CvS2 wouldn’t have been CvS2. At the end of the day, it’s its own thing and there are people who love it because it’s CvS2, with all its glitches and idiosyncrasies, not a new Alpha with SNK characters or KoF with Capcom characters. People should just let it be and stick to talking about KoFXIV.

[ReoGeoSRK]

I also wouldn’t mind if the fatal fury movie finally confirmed that geese is in fact the father of terry and rock.

What? Where did you ever get the idea that Geese is Terry’s father?

Also Rock is already confirmed to be Geese’s son, there’s no question about it.

As for if SNKP’s IPs were to be adapted into various media, it should retool the original timelines so that the characters can all be together, much as the KOF games did to FF and AoF’s timelines. If not, then you run into the issue of Ryo being significantly older than Terry. Also, FF should definitely be first since Terry’s probably the most well-known SNK character.

My bad I meant terry and Andy. Well a few things give that impression, terry and Andy are adopted and Andy happens to look identical to young geese to the point that you would think they are the same character. Also geese asked terry to take care of rock which doesn’t make sense given they were enemies. He would only ask him if there was some kind of connection and obviously it’s that it’s his younger brother. It would make sense and I personally think make the story more dramatic and intense. The fact that terry and andy never had their biological parents revealed is quite telling and I think bad SNK continued fatal fury games would eventually confirm geese is their dad.

Has this been confirmed somewhere? If I remember correctly, Rock just followed Terry around and tried to fight him when he was a kid after Geese died.

In the Fatal Fury timeline, after Terry kills Geese (which was an act of revenge after Geese killed Terry and Andy’s father Jeff Bogard), he saw that Geese had a son and decided to take it upon himself to raise the boy since he orphaned the kid. In the KoF timeline, Geese never dies and I have no idea what the fuck happened with Rock because I don’t think they’ve ever outright explained what the deal is.

I read a plot guide years ago and it looks like that bit about geese asking terry never happened. Well at any rate I’m fairly certain real bout happened roughly around the K saga given how south town 2 was a thing in garou and because rock is in K era victory pose for terry as kid.

[rayplay]

Most animé these days don’t even make money on their own and rely on merchandise sales to break even. An animé would just put unnecessary strain on SNK-P.

Well voice actors are treated like VIPs in Japan get paid stupid amounts of money. So merchandising is where it’s at. Which is why most animes have some stupid mascot character.

Hell the studio that did the animation for Samurai Champloo just went out of business

Unless something changed in the recent years, you only get paid a ton as a voice actor if you’re a really big name. And I mean REALLY big. Take your top 10, and then put another batch on top of them big. I’ve heard more stories for how bad the work and pay is for both animators and voice actors in Japan than how great it is. Voice actors working extra jobs to keep their lights on, animators not being allowed to leave for sometimes weeks due to deadlines, etc.

[JohnGrimm]

I also wouldn’t mind if the fatal fury movie finally confirmed that geese is in fact the father of terry and rock.

What? Where did you ever get the idea that Geese is Terry’s father?

Also Rock is already confirmed to be Geese’s son, there’s no question about it.

As for if SNKP’s IPs were to be adapted into various media, it should retool the original timelines so that the characters can all be together, much as the KOF games did to FF and AoF’s timelines. If not, then you run into the issue of Ryo being significantly older than Terry. Also, FF should definitely be first since Terry’s probably the most well-known SNK character.

My bad I meant terry and Andy. Well a few things give that impression, terry and Andy are adopted and Andy happens to look identical to young geese to the point that you would think they are the same character. Also geese asked terry to take care of rock which doesn’t make sense given they were enemies. He would only ask him if there was some kind of connection and obviously it’s that it’s his younger brother. It would make sense and I personally think make the story more dramatic and intense. The fact that terry and andy never had their biological parents revealed is quite telling and I think bad SNK continued fatal fury games would eventually confirm geese is their dad.

Has this been confirmed somewhere? If I remember correctly, Rock just followed Terry around and tried to fight him when he was a kid after Geese died.

In the Fatal Fury timeline, after Terry kills Geese (which was an act of revenge after Geese killed Terry and Andy’s father Jeff Bogard), he saw that Geese had a son and decided to take it upon himself to raise the boy since he orphaned the kid. In the KoF timeline, Geese never dies and I have no idea what the fuck happened with Rock because I don’t think they’ve ever outright explained what the deal is.

I read a plot guide years ago and it looks like that bit about geese asking terry never happened. Well at any rate I’m fairly certain real bout happened roughly around the K saga given how south town 2 was a thing in garou and because rock is in K era victory pose for terry as kid.

Yeah I mean all of those characters still exist and all that, the thing is though that the KoF timeline and the Fatal Fury timeline are completely different and events did not happen the same way. I know what happened in FF as far as Rock is concerned, but in KoF I have NO idea why Rock is with Terry since Geese is still alive and Terry has no personal responsibility to take care of him. And like I said, I don’t know if it was ever explained or if it’s just in there as a nod to FF.

[Saitsu]

Who knows, maybe Geese lost Rock to Terry in a bet.

[rayplay]

What if Geese didn’t die and just didn’t give a fuck about Terry taking care of his son? Or what if the timeline changes so he dies later on before Garou?

[Xvideos]

Esaka 96, 99, and 2002 still gets me every time.

Also maybe Ketchaku R, Rhythmic Hallucination

[d3v]

What if Geese didn’t die and just didn’t give a fuck about Terry taking care of his son? Or what if the timeline changes so he dies later on before Garou?

Has kid, doesn’t give a fuck if he the baby daddy? So Geese is black? Next thing you tell me he running out on them child support payments.