Sorry, lemme put it this way: not all that practical to set up. That sounds better.
I guess I’m just biased since using the infinite requires putting Vanessa on your team and she’s not that great. Whereas Oswald is already far too good to need such a ridiculous setup on an incoming character.
What I meant Lord BBH is that there are/will be a lot more importers of the console version than there are arcade cabs in the US. The whole reason why the “arcade standard” is present in japan is because it’s so widely distributed. Thus, we should stop basing our tournament standards on theirs, because we have a different situation.
Sorry, I haven’t had enough experience with him to make a concrete decision; I meant that he is the only console character that would be a debatable ban.
Right, because most people are playing it in arcades in the US? The version most are playing is console, not in the arcades.
It’s not debatable; in fact it’s been debated already. His LDM damage has no guaranteed setup (in this vein, it’s only about as good as Shen’s) and he has a diminished low game. Regular Kyo is actually just as good if not better, so there’s no point in banning EX Kyo.
EDIT:
Roll Cancelling isn’t character specific, and it helps balance more than it breaks it (everyone can do it). Only Oswald has his particular unblockable and it allows him to combo as he pleases for FREE; no questions asked, no meter required. Couple this with the fact that he already one of the top three (he doesn’t need it to rape the fuck out of everyone else; he’s already really good) and you have the reason why it’s banned.
My mistake. I stand corrected.
Even so, how many other glitches and bugs are there that put specific characters at an advantage that other characters don’t have? Fast falls, cancels, on-the-ground throws, warps and more? Or even the glitches that are MORE useful to another character?
All the glitches are there. As long as they don’t freeze the game, or somehow make you instantly win (Street Fighter Handcuffs ftw) then they should be allowed. Like I said, if you don’t want to just use the glitches, then just play the damn arrange mode!
Isn’t Kain like a normal character in MOTW? Most people list him as a mid tier or something, since the top tiers were Jenet, Kevin, Grant, and some other characters (maybe Gato, Terry, and Jae Hoon. I dunno, a lot of characters in this game are good; only like 3 are below average).
I know, that’s not the point you’re trying to make, but still. Also, even though most people here believe that EX Kyo is just a normal “top tier” character, but can his 80-90% corner combos be used in an actual match, or are they their for show?
Yeah his BS can be used in an actual match.
Shall I post vids?
You’re making too many random outside references that make no sense compared to the glitch at hand. All glitches are not the same, and just because they allow some shit in MVC2 (most of which isn’t that stupid and/or character specific aside from Gambit glitch and assorted infinites), doesn’t mean we should allow stupid shit in XI just because. XI is not MVC2. Different game, different mechanics.
It’s not that I don’t want to use glitches: I regularly use the Vanessa infinite. I just don’t see why Oswald UB should be allowed.
Also, arrange mode is boring as hell (they didn’t have to universally nerf everyone and slow the game down to remove the glitches, so fuck that noise), and Oswald unblockable is recognized as banned anyway. I’m just supporting the fact that he doesn’t need it; he does fine without it.
Weecho
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Please do. I havent seen that shit yet.
^ Okie dokie…
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I’ll try to find s’more.
EDIT: Found this on orochnagi.com
'bout ozzy UB there is any official rule that ban it?
where i can read it?
About the EX kyo stuff yeah AF not to burst your bubble but that’s nothing new…
For real, lol.
First vid: whoopty shit, a few juggled DP’s after an AA jab in the corner.
Second vid: both of those combos he landed near the end were combos that Regular Kyo has as well…
Man…EX Kyo rules. But yeah, all that stuff doesn’t make him unbalanced.
Zaelar
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If there is anything broken about EX Kyo based off those videos, its that wierd angle he has on that jump kick.
Yeah really!!!
His like RED kick in the air is too good.
Cmon! There’re always some far too awesome regular attacks in fighting games. Rock’s short jump HK in CvS2. Iori’s cHK in…anything, etc. EX Kyo just rules 
Too bad regular Kyo is every bit as good and actually has a low game.
WTF still arguing about Ex Kyo?
O.K Now why not ban GATO? if Ex Kyo is broken GATO is GOD TIER unbeatable, Duolon 2k3.
Anyway, he is not going to be banned at EVO.
