King of Fighters 13 incoming!

[rukawa_kaede]

With regards to the winposes/special intros, it is one of the things that really drew me into KOF '98, since it really did add a lot to the character/storyline. You could see the rivalries or friendships between characters or just comic relief sometimes (Brian getting slapped by Shermie for example).

I don’t remember that one

are those new for the UM version or something

[MadeManG74]

I don’t remember that one

are those new for the UM version or something

Possibly… I only play OG '98 a little bit on GGPO, so most of my playtime is from 98UM on XBLA.
Either way, here’s the one I meant:
[media=youtube]YTZaDpfjgtc#t=6m07s[/media]

[DarKaoZ]

Possibly… I only play OG '98 a little bit on GGPO, so most of my playtime is from 98UM on XBLA.
Either way, here’s the one I meant:
[media=youtube]YTZaDpfjgtc#t=6m07s[/media]

lmao that one is awesome. Yup, KOF13 needs intros.

[DarKaoZ]

Sorry double post, but here is the new update on the KOF13 site:

NEW BLOG ENTRY (STORY RELATED) http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof-xiii/blog/archives/2010/04/kof_xiii_1_1.html
JAPAN TEAM STORY http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof-xiii/character/index.html
EVENT (Loketest on the 24-25?) http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof-xiii/event/index.html

[graupel]

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GIRL FIGHT!!!

King’s air projectile reminds me of this:
[media=youtube]GPzSB_mcuEQ#t=0m48s[/media]

[SAB-CA]

King’s air projectile reminds me of this:
[media=youtube]GPzSB_mcuEQ#t=0m48s[/media]

Even saw Hakan’s Anti-Air throw from Mastorious in there. Fighters History and Karnov continues to inspire us to this day!!!

Nice and similiar, though. Wonder if King will be able to cancel her air normals into air venom strike as easily as Yungmie did there, especially without drive cancel… If this new loketest gives us character reveals + Neomax first look, I wonder how much else will change with the game by then. Just a little longer until new Loketest vids! -party!-

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??? This additional element is what really …! ? ?

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[Frankfurt]

But, that will ALWAYS be the case. That’s always BEEN the case.

Fighting games have always been created with finite resources and time, so making win poses and extra animations has always been at the expense of more moves or gameplay additions.

For all these years, they could have sacrificed all the “unnecessary” stylish poses and stuff, and instead used the time to add more moves…maybe even more characters.

This isn’t 1998 (or even 2003). They don’t have thousands of frames and dozens of characters already animated.

Animation for specials and moves can be used for a boatload of things a character does.

Animation for intros and victory poses cannot.

If you ran a business, and had to choose which one to make with limited funds, which would it be?

with the state that SNK is in now, and the time and effort that goes into making these new sprites, I think it’s sensible for those things to be put on the backburner for now at least. It would be great if they can bring them back for the console/sequel but at the moment I can understand them focusing on other areas. Besides, the pre-fight dialogues should make up for a little bit of it.

This.

KOF XIII is do-or-die material. Winposes aren’t as important as fleshing out the characters with moves.

Or you’re telling me you would like Mature to have stayed like XII so you could get a few winposes?

[M.D]

The real question is why win poses are even relevant on SRK.

[Monkey_King]

The real question is why win poses are even relevant on SRK.

That’s like asking why a storyline is relevant or why you need to have pre-fight character interactions. It’s just the bells and whistles most people need to keep them happy before they realize they don’t really care about those things after 1 week with the game. Just be lucky they didn’t waste time animating the pre-fight interactions like past KOFs and instead opted to go the less time-constraining route.

[arstal]

The real question is why win poses are even relevant on SRK.

Because those things do add appeal to characters. That said, getting the gameplay right is more important, so SNK is doing the right thing.

[sibarraz]

I don’t think that making an animation intro will sacrifice moves, I mean, aren’t that hard to do, and barely, the animition will make a quarter of a move

That being said, I like intros, but are unnecesary, after 2 months everybody skip them, I prefer that they focus on other thing, but if they add them, I will be glad

[Stanislao]

I don’t think that making an animation intro will sacrifice moves, I mean, aren’t that hard to do, and barely, the animition will make a quarter of a move

If you think about it with the amount of frames needed for one intro, one taunt and one extra win pose for the whole roster you could make one more character, more or less.

[Shin_Oni]

I don’t think that making an animation intro will sacrifice moves, I mean, aren’t that hard to do, and barely, the animition will make a quarter of a move

That being said, I like intros, but are unnecesary, after 2 months everybody skip them, I prefer that they focus on other thing, but if they add them, I will be glad

I think to this day, people still don’t realize how long it takes to just make a few frames of the new dot style pixels.

[affinity]

I think to this day, people still don’t realize how long it takes to just make a few frames of the new dot style pixels.

yes that is true. They demand but they don’t understand the work.
And they don’t want to understand, because it’s just easier expecting stuff to magically be added when they want.

[DarKaoZ]

I think to this day, people still don’t realize how long it takes to just make a few frames of the new dot style pixels.

Making animation in pixel art with a 3D model as a reference for the animation doesn’t take too much time. What takes time is the shading, specially in the way SNKP is doing it, the shades can go up to 5 colors and that is insane. Yet the final product is awesome looking, but my point is they could had opted for well animated sprites with less shading and we could had gotten way more characters by now (at least 6 more), but they opted to do the amazing shading they have atm.

[affinity]

ya I think the sprites would still look great without that shading method since most don’t even notice that detail. oh well.

blog update

http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof-xiii/blog/archives/2010/04/kof_xiii_1_1.html

Elizabeth in story conversation

[Shin_Oni]

Making animation in pixel art with a 3D model as a reference for the animation doesn’t take too much time. What takes time is the shading, specially in the way SNKP is doing it, the shades can go up to 5 colors and that is insane. Yet the final product is awesome looking, but my point is they could had opted for well animated sprites with less shading and we could had gotten way more characters by now (at least 6 more), but they opted to do the amazing shading they have atm.

But the whole point of the overhaul was because the KoF sprites needed a updated look to begin with. It could be a bit over the top but i’d rather them go all out then stick with the same pixels and stick it on a smoother background.

Plus SNK’s trying to make bank so we can get the usual small things later on down the road. Kids these days like pretty things.

[Daidoji_Kage]

I haven’t been following KoF13 much. So, just kind of wondering, did they leave the counter-hit custom combo system in alongside the new system or was it removed in favor of the new one?

[DarKaoZ]

ya I think the sprites would still look great without that shading method since most don’t even notice that detail. oh well.

blog update

http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof-xiii/blog/archives/2010/04/kof_xiii_1_1.html

Elizabeth in story conversation

http://game.snkplaymore.co.jp/official/kof-xiii/blog/yuuoumaisin.jpg

Beat you on it: http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=226135&p=8706143&viewfull=1#post8706143

But the whole point of the overhaul was because the KoF sprites needed a updated look to begin with. It could be a bit over the top but i’d rather them go all out then stick with the same pixels and stick it on a smoother background.

Plus SNK’s trying to make bank so we can get the usual small things later on down the road. Kids these days like pretty things.

I know, but I’m just saying what they could have done. I love what they do, the lack of Intros, outros and taunts bothers me a bit, but I know for a fact that is something I won’t see while playing with friends. That is mostly a awesome detail you watch when you are playing single player mode and it adds a lot to the characters interaction.

I haven’t been following KoF13 much. So, just kind of wondering, did they leave the counter-hit custom combo system in alongside the new system or was it removed in favor of the new one?

Yup, it got removed. KOF13 system for my understanding is a mix of KOF2002UM and KOFXI system (Dream cancels only). But indeed, KOF12 system is gone for KOF13.

[Daidoji_Kage]

Yup, it got removed. KOF13 system for my understanding is a mix of KOF2002UM and KOFXI system (Dream cancels only). But indeed, KOF12 system is gone for KOF13.

Damn.

Damnit. I know a lot of folks didn’t play KoF12. I know why they didn’t and after the fact I understand it. Some of us (few though we were) did put a good amount of time in and that system was really, really clever. Every block string had to be thought out on both sides and baiting someone into reacting and landing that critical counter was quite satisfying.