Ken General Thread: Go with the Flow

Still waiting on that Kaizen guy to accept Liang’s challenge.

@KaizenMaster007 vs @LiangHuBBB FT10 $$$$ match let’s get hype right guys?!

Nash has been the hardest for me with Ken but tbh im not feeling Ken if he remains like this in the final version i’m definitely not using him.

Corrected

I’m going to stick with him, there’s got to be SOMETHING the designers see that we don’t to justify nerfing him constantly. If there really is nothing to look forward to finding, he fucking sucks.

They rebuffed the c.MP > Target a little. The stuff that was whiffing bad in Beta 3 is hitting now.

Interesting. That might mean that they reduced the cr mp pushback a little. Can you test if cr mp -> st lp -> st lk fully connects on block?

This thread was derailed with all those useless post about the current beta test. Thankfully, it’s now back on track.

Who has a picture of Ken in a wheel chair? I think it should a picture of ken doing his HP DP and the SF5 battle director with a fire extinguisher. Saying fire is out boys, pack it up.

I just edited the post FYI, slightly more topical. What’re your thoughts on Ken then Azel? You gonna stick with him or dropping if he stays as he is?

I’ve been maining Ken since the 90ies, i will keep maining him even if they remove all his buttons. But i also see myself preparing a pocket Nash (a character i like and used in the Alpha series anyway) for MUs like Karin, Vega and Chun.

Beta 2 ken was my favourite. I realllllllly realllllly hate this Ken.
If he stays like this I have no choice but to switch characters

You have to take a slight step forward to get that string. The main one I noticed is after the c.HP > V-Skill reset c.MP > Target Combo will actually work now where as in Beta 3 it was whiffing 90% of the time after the reset.

Bummer, it would be really nice if it worked again.

I am personally enjoying Ken. Having problems vs Nash so far but I believe we can figure that one out.

Actually I’m going to go against the grain, I like this version of Ken. Beta 3 disappointed me, but he’s not feeling too bad in this version.

I like Ken right now, but I didn’t really get a good feel for him earlier.
I love his command dash (v-skill)
Its like I have a smug button, I can just dash and attack with one motion in stead of two (double tapping the joystick) and it feels great.

The damage feels average, his combos are really really basic, I feel like something is missing for him to style with.
Why even use the V-Trigger for anything other than extending one combo.

V-Reversals are stupid good versus the pressure most online people put on you, I use most of my V-Meter purely to get people off of me and reset the situation. And after you’ve extended your combo you get the super good version of air tatsu, don’t forget about that.

@RagingStormX
Here is the new video you requested.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olLr9hDkO-4

Did this work in any previous beta?

c.HP (CC) > MK. Tatsu > EX DP

In V-Trigger
c.HP (CC) > MK. Tatsu > LP DP > EX DP

The Forward Tatsu link itself in mind, or the DP setups?

Forward Tatsu link, I usually just do Away Strong xx Forward Tatsumaki… Can’t answer if it was possible from earlier betas, but didn’t see a point considering that linking Away Strong from CC St.Fierce would be more optimal in meter gain/damage.

As for the DP juggle, that’s new since they altered the juggle priority from the Forward Tatsu itself. I actually wasn’t aware of V-Trigger Jab DP juggling from Forward Tatsumaki (probably tested too much midscreen, could of sworn it whiffed). Interesting.

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  • KaizenMaster

If you crush counter you juggle them in the air and hit with the last hit of the MK Tatsu on the back side. This flips them forward high enough where you can get multiple DP juggles and all sorts of wacky combos. And actually the corner carry is really good off of it.