r u for real :wow:
No, your stupidity must be a result of boredom, but my post is as real as it gets.
I will agree with the criticism behind the JL animated series cast choices, or, to be more precise, the logic behind them. Bruce Timms reasoning behind adding John Stewart instead of Hal Jordan was as flawed as his reasoning for adding Hawkgirl instead of Hawkman. Choose characters based on their strengths and stories, not on political cowardice.
Yeah exactly, I just think cast changes should be done for the right reason you know.
John Stuart worked out well in Justice League, though. He was a solid character who contributed to the story and episodes well. Hawkgirl, on the other hand, failed to deliver the same excellence.
Hawkgirl was already tied into the universe even before JL/JLU happened. Also, without her, you couldnāt have the oh-so-sweet Starcrossed season finale. So yeahā¦
Men, that season finale didnt feel right. They should have hooked John with vixen from the start and paired Hawkgirl with Hawkman. The romance was like two puzzle pieces that didnt fit, no matter how badly Bruce tried to sell it. I actually tuned out during any exchange between them, the romance was so out of place.
Starcrossed was a great episode, however, there are many other storylines or episodes they could have done without her that would have been equally as impressive. Overall, I didnāt like Hawkgirl in the series, she was a very dull character that didnāt have nearly the same charisma as all the other members of the league, and had by far the worst character interaction with the others as well.
I think the show would have been better if they had used Hawkman instead, or simply not had her on the series. Again, the justification for using her on the series was due to political concerns, and unlike John Stewart, I donāt consider her performance on the show to have justified the decision in retrospect.
Well they did consider Black Canary for awhile, although I think powergirl would have been a great choice if Timm really wanted a scond female on the cast. I dont know though, I see John as āthe other guyā you know. Like i know there are people who like him but I dont really see him ever being the"poster boy" of the lanterns or as the lanterns"main dude". IMO he kind of works better as a supporting character for someone like Hal or Kyle, he just doesnt seem cool or powerful enough to really have a spotlight on him.
He may not have the star potential that Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner possess, but in a show like Justice League that was not necessary, and he fulfilled his assigned role quite well on a team based program. Furthermore, his interaction with the other characters, particularly the Flash, was very well done.
We need some Rugal 3:16 power right about now. Heād make this thread complete.
WTF?
WTF?!
POLITICAL COWARDICE?!
you have to be fucking kidding me. Man do you guys even understand tv, fuck ya they wanna make it a bit unish. why? Money mofoā¦you canāt aim for 100% purist in a tv market where blacks make up 13% of the country. And hispanics make up a far bigger percentā¦shit iām amazed they didnāt pull out a hispanic superhero. If you wanna get a good amount of viewers you wanna target certain demographicsā¦you want kidsā¦you get a kids heroā¦you want teens you get a teen heroā¦you want blacksā¦you get a black hero.
its tv basics.
Yaāall are on some serious bullshit. stop sippin that hatorade.
John Stewart is a strong hero. yes he was picked for the demographicā¦but so fucking what. its not like they picked some bullshit hero and pretended he was good. he was a well know hero in dc to begin with. You all act like they resurrected jason todd and made him out to be dick grayson.
I have no issues with John Stewart, as I made clear in my posts. The fact they chose him because of his racial identity rather than his pros as a character is weak, and I do consider it political cowardice to choose a character on nothing more than that bias. It shouldnāt matter, characters should be selected based on how cool/interesting they are, and thatās it.
it was a combo of color and how he was. heās not an interesting character he is more complex than hal honestly. that doesnāt make him better in the long run but far more interesting in my opinion. but if you all keep saying cowardice when its about numbersā¦how is that cowardiceā¦it aiignt like the ncaap were barging at their door for a black character. also look at bruce timms other showsā¦not much diversity in the pack.
now i discovered static around when i was 16/17ā¦and i really dug the character. why? because it was someone i can relate toā¦i canāt relate to batmanā¦heās a rich white guyā¦canāt relate to supermanā¦alien in white guy form. can only sorta relate to spideyā¦but i could hell more relate to static than them all.
now think of that in cartoon termsā¦your more likely gonna watch a character if you find him interesting fun or relateable. Now think of how many more watchers you just got cause you put in a character for those people.
thats cowardice?
man donāt try and run a media companyā¦cause you will get that shit all day. real talk.
I really donāt understand relating to any character based on their race, so I lose you on that part. I do think itās cowardly to back off the decision you would have made due to political/marketing concerns, which Timm implied when he was speaking about the choice to go with Stewart instead of Jordan.
see you changed your wordingā¦before it was just political concerns now its marketingā¦see theirs a difference.
i dont feel its really an issue to bitch about. hal has been in so many series and kyles gotten his shine in superman. I honestly canāt see more fans running to watch the show just cuz kyle or hal are theirā¦your gonna get those same people to be watching it for bats and supesā¦but your more likely to get more asses for john stewart. your hitting up a different demographic.
I understand why they chose to do what they did, however, I think it was a mistake and they should have chosen John, if that was their real choice, because of his strengths as a character, and nothing more. As I have said, I have absolutely no issue with John in JL/JLU, aside from the fact he occassionally caused the very dull Hawkgirl to have more screen time. I just donāt like the reasoning given by the creators as to why he was chosen over Hal, as I disagree with thinking along those lines.
Getting back to the topic at hand, I again do not see how this movie is going to be good at all. They have almost utterly and completely failed to deliver a passable movie, with the exception of Batman Begins, on just a sole hero, and I find it unlikely theyāll be able to correctly portray the characters as a team at all.
I thought Hal was dead at the time.
DC took a mess and made an even bigger mess in the attempt to clean it up. Not what I would say wise.
I hate to sound like a fanboy geek, but mess or not, pre-Crisis Supes is a lot more worthy of his name than the impostor currently wearing the suit in the comics. They could have cleaned up some of the more notable contradictions in his history and maybe capped his power to not show such a blatant disregard for the laws of physics (e.g. blowing out a star like a candle), and still maintained the things that characterized him most strongly for the better part of the characterās existence. Instead, they hired an asshole with no grasp on what makes the character special, who turned Superman into just another spandex-clad mutant.
The world at large knows Superman as the strange visitor from another planet with godlike powers who came to save humanity. Theyād probably agree with me when I say that Iād rather see him on the screen than the nerfed milquetoast of the post-Crisis comics.
And Hal isnāt going to happen. I am genuinely sorry to say that. Aside from the comics themselves, Hal has not made a big splash in any popular mediumāat least, not nearly to the extent that John has. Just let it go. There is a 99.999% chance that the big screen Green Lantern is going to be John Stewart.
For whatever reason John was chosen, and I do agree that it was more a PC move than anything to have a minority character, I did find I enjoyed his contribution to the show a great amount.
I have not read comics as long as many people who post in this section, so my viewpoint may be somewhat closer to people who this movie is looking at who arenāt in the āknowā so to speak about the characters.
I am intimately aware of all the prominent lanterns, and their backstories, but I have not personally leafed through their comic adventures. (Just read up on the histories to be caught up for the stuff I do read now.)
So with that caveat, my opinion is that John, as presented in the show, is a more interesting character than Iāve personally seen of Hal Jordan. Hal, often times to me, seems to be on this good guy autopilot, that saps a lot of his personality. The other Lanterns, because of the fact they arenāt āthe lanternā seem to get more freedom to have more personality in my opinion. This could be just the medium at which I found them, because personally I found John to be rather boring in the comics I have read as well, and while I realize itās a completely different thing almost, I do like Alan Scott more than Hal. (Before the flames come I realize there is a difference in the Green Lantern-ness.)
So just as someone who casually reads comics, and has come to it more recently I think people in my position would be more apt to be familiar with John, than we would Hal. I mean heck, when I was growing up Hal had gone all Parallax, then died, then was the Spectre for a bit, and Kyle was GL, and this is stuff Iāve learned after that time mostly, if you asked me in the mid-nineties who Green Lantern was, I could certainly tell you, but if you asked me who Hal Jordan was, Iād probably scratch my head. (Iād be able to tell you who Bruce Wayne, Clark Kent, and the bigger names of course. Also for reference in 1995 Iād be 9 years old.) So I donāt have the same connection as people who may have begun reading earlier to Hal, and I think a vast majority of the public who will see the movie, wonāt either.
Those who are like me, who started with later stories and watched the television show would more than likely see John as being the Lantern for the role, however improperly we came to that decision, because of the JLU show.