Apparently WB gave the director 6 weeks to write the script…
I tend to feel that any story that lays Harley and Jokers relationship as romantic falls on it’s face, while the ones that play it a lot more straight, a crazy guy who has a crazy girl friend he regularly abuses, and she an insecure and easily manipulated woman, tend to work out a lot better.
But I’ve also said in the past that I never understand why girls “look up to” Harley and treat like a role model. Don’t get me wrong I love Harley. She’s adorable, and funny, and wacky and a lot of fun to read/watch, but she’s not a role model, if anything she’s an example of what not to be. She should inspire girls to be stronger then herself because they get to read and see her be repeatedly abused and tossed aside when no longer of use.
If I where Paul Dini and a girl came up to me at a Con or something and told me Harley was her role model and she looked up to her…My only reaction would be sadness and a strong desire to explain to that girl that she’s got it all wrong.
I take it you watch Double Toasted? But yeah, there’s a few other things to go over:
[details=Spoiler]1) The whole intro sequence is overly long and lazy as hell. It makes it extremely clear who the main characters are in this movie, and basically relegates multiple characters to background status before the squad is even formed.
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Obnoxious use of licensed music in this movie. I wanted to rip my fucking ears off every time another song came on to try and make the film “lighthearted.”
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The Joker serves no purpose whatsoever except to…exist? The entire scene when he shows up to get Harley results in…absolutely nothing, except for the Joker “dying,” which NOBODY is going to believe. She shows up back with the team like 5 minutes after she leaves, so what the hell was the point of any of that? A complete waste of time, both that scene and all the time spent building up anticipation for Joker’s arrival.
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Did Captain Boomerang have a scene cut out of the movie or what? When Flagg tells them they’re free to go in the bar, he immediately dips, but then just shows up afterwards for no reason? Why? All throughout the movie he clearly has no attachment to anyone else, and that never changes. I feel like there was a scene where he talks to one of the other team members and has a change of heart, but it got cut out.
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For that matter, why does Flagg having Deadshot’s kid’s letters suddenly make him want to help? If anything, I felt as if the tone was going for “you mean you’ve been keeping these from me THIS WHOLE TIME?!” and that Deadshot would’ve been pissed. But no, instead somehow this is a good thing that makes him want to help?
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Harley isn’t funny or likable. All her one-liners are either stupid or…that’s about it. Also, what good are Enchantress’ zombie things if they can get killed by a non-superhuman woman with a WOODEN BASEBALL BAT? You’d think these magical mooks would be a bit tougher. Also, Enchantress’ look is completely downgraded once she gets powered up by her brother, or whatever the hell happened.
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I actually liked El Diablo a lot, and thought he was pretty cool and sympathetic, plus his whole flaming aztec demon form at the end was pretty great. Too bad he has to die in a pointless sacrifice, when out of all the characters in the Suicide Squad, he seems like he’d be the most likely to actually change his ways and use his powers for good, or at least not try to betray the government.
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Really? All it took to kill Incubus was that puny explosion?
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Really? That explosion killed Incubus (who was way above it and was taking hits from stuff like missiles fired from helicopters before) and El Diablo, but somehow Killer Croc survived?
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Why is the Enchantress even still here? The machine/soulnado is complete and up to that point there’s not really been mention that anything could even stop it, so why even bother to fight the Suicide Squad? She could literally just leave and they wouldn’t be able to stop her. For that matter, for a character with massive telekinetic powers, why is she fighting them hand to hand?
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Oh wait, she doesn’t have to, at all. What with effortlessly ripping all their weapons out of their hands with but a flick of her wrist.
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Really? She doesn’t notice Harley reaching for that sword?
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REALLY? The CGI shitstorm was stopped with some…regular ol’ C4? Not to mention Enchantress didn’t even use her powers to try and reach it, instead she just completely forgot about them. What, did losing her heart get rid of her powers? But she still had powers before when she didn’t have her heart so…
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Enchantress: “You don’t have the balls.”
What I imagine Joel Kinnaman is saying: “I DO HAVE BALLS.”
- Oh come on! This bitch is alive but my boy El Diablo is still dead? This is some ol’ bullshit.[/details]
(Congrats on your 666th post in your 6th year, El Diablo.)
Oh, so that’s who dies? Figures, especially since it seems like such a waste. You would think that movies would try to pander more to the demographic nowadays, but nope…
I see. Playing Diablo’s Advocate, that’s arguably still enough time to write a reasonably competent script even by one’s self though, especially if the director doesn’t have other serious obligations during that time and especially given it’s an existent franchise that can be readily researched.
Of course, with that said, I do have to wonder at least three things here beyond the obligatory “What the fuck were you thinking, DC and WB?”:
- Why is the director the one writing instead of, say, a (group of) competent screen-writer(s)? How much money is that supposedly saving if the resultant film then bombs at the box office or at least critically?
- How familiar is this director with the comic-book franchise and existent characters? This really has to be asked given the other DCCU director, Zack Snyder, and his infamous comments about disliking comic books as a whole.
- How long does the average script take to write, specifically for “summer blockbuster” movies like this?
There are doubtless more things that I could come up with, but those are things that come to mind at present.
Just saw it last night… AND I FUCKING LOVED IT!! I thought it was better than BvS! Definitely better than Civil War.
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I actually stayed home and played videogames last night because my fiancee wanted to go out with friends. So I didn’t see it yet- I just wanted to kick the hornets’ nest.
See this is exactly the kind of thing I’ve been talking about. Yes it is 29% on Rotten Tomatoes bad, because that 29% is not a score of the movie, they’re not saying it got a damn F-, that 29% means only 29% of the critics who reviewed it thought it was good and/or would recommend it to others. 29% of people have a positive reaction to the movie. Did you not like it? Then congrats, you’re with the 71% who said it was a bad movie.
Movie’s actual average rating is 4.7, which is matching up well with what people are saying. It’s a slightly below average flick.
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I thought it was servicable
Not that bad really. Will smith held back until that last action sequence
I hate Leto Joker’s stupid-looking face.
(No! I was too late to save another!
Whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyy?!)
What JohnGrimm said is part of the reason I just never go to RottenTomatoes in the first place and take even IMDb’s ratings with a healthy dose of skepticism. Speaking of which, IMDb’s potential for “abuse” in the same way gets shown in this video review about the movie that a friend apparently sent me after I e-mailed him last night:
Also, noted po pimpus.
What you “actually” averaging though? Fanboy reviews as well?
El Diablo was the MVP.
Boomerang and Harley were unnecessary and irrelevant, lol. Croc just looked awful when he took his jacket off. Joker added NOTHING to this flick. The villain was fucking awful and felt like something Superman or w/e should’ve fought, not some kooky bitch with a bat or a nigga whose main purpose is being a giant grappling hook, lol. Generic ass, Fantastic Four ass 3rd act. Sigh.
Overall, it’s bette than BvS…which isn’t saying much, but eh.
It’s actual score on RT. Haven’t watched it, nor do I play to until Korean bootlegs start popping, so I’ll reserve judgement until then.
term fanboy/stan is so annoying. people throw that out there just when people disagree with them.
To each their own. Personally, I find the question “Is the movie enjoyable y/n?” to be much more valuable than “What is the arbitrary numerical grade of the quality of this movie?” I mean obviously knowing how competent a movie is helps, but there are plenty of “bad” movies that are still very enjoyable to watch and I would recommend to people where as there are plenty of “good” movies with good actors and competent directors with solid scripts that I find unenjoyable and would not recommend. Like, The Order 1886 for example to just give a game example, that is a really well made game that pretty much does everything it’s trying to do and I would say succeeds at what it’s trying to do but I would never in a million years recommend to someone because the game for all of its technical impressiveness and totally fine script and gameplay is incredibly boring and not satisfying to play in the slightest.
(So what term do you prefer for dealing with what fanatical, illogical people especially when “fanatic” is where “fan” all too rightfully comes from in the first place?)
I can understand finding it dismissive, @Jack_Frost, but personally there are relatively few people I would call “fanboy”/“fangirl” (in the negative sense). For example, people who gave the movie a rating, whether positive or negative, without having seen it before it even came out probably count in one way or the other, especially since too many people act like you can’t like both DC and Marvel and they have to be mortal enemies or some bullshit.
Similarly, I’m personally not going to call someone a fanboy just because they liked the movie. I’ll probably think they have poor taste in movies, granted, but they like what they like and outside of funding more bad movies like this, that’s not my problem and not actively hurting anyone, it’s at worst vaguely annoying.
For the record, people were calling jimmy1200 a “stan” in the Batman v. Superman thread because he was dismissing and deflecting literally almost every criticism aimed at the movie, unless it was aimed towards Jesse Eisenberg’s horrible portrayal of Lex Luthor whom literally only chadouken! liked, like it was nigh-flawless. This on top of readily called anyone and everyone who disagreed with him stupid. That is being a “fanboy” in the negative sense.
Oh, just Rotten Tomatoes. Okay. I figured that’s what you meant. I just wanted to be sure.
I wonder what the supposed average would be if you factored in IMDb and the various newspaper scores as well, though I suppose the latter would difficult for various reasons, including the fact that the rating systems of both Rotten Tomatoes and technically IMDb are out of 100 rather than just four or five stars.
PO does this all the time, he probably still hasn’t seen Man of Steel
(…And?)
To be blunt, what the fuck is your “point” here supposed to be? If you want to call po pimpus a “fanboy”, then go ahead–I’m sure some other people would agree. Literally no one is stopping you but you, though it would make you a complete hypocrite given what you just said.
Oh, I agree on that point completely, @JohnGrimm. I think I just avoid RottenTomatoes because it just feels redundant to me given I found out about it way after I found out it about IMDb even though apparently RottenTomatoes is the more popular site by far with people of my–our?–age group. Between that and the fact that I don’t typically pay attention to reviews or ratings in most instances, I just never have seen the need to go there. I’m not saying I dislike or hate it or anything like that. Just that it’s literally of no use to me as far as I’m aware.
I suppose it doesn’t also help that almost every time people talk about RottenTomatoes, it’s almost solely because of the ratings aspect, which makes me roll my eyes most of the time for the very reasons you’ve already eloquently pointed out. If anything, then I mostly just use IMDb to research stuff really. I don’t think I’ve ever rated anything on there despite knowing about it for at least 10 years; the only thing I might have done was Happy Endings (the movie) forever ago and I honestly don’t remember.
Im asking you. Is PO a fanboy?
Seriously though, Leto’s Joker is absolutely a high-point of the movie
(Why did you quote all of that, @Jack_Frost, especially when it’s literally right above you? I swear some of you guys never learn.)
Assuming you’re talking about being an anti-DC (and presumably pro-Marvel) fanboy, I don’t know and I’m still not sure why you’re asking me like I’m his parent or friend or something. I know he hates Zack Snyder with the passion of a million exploding suns, but that’s not the same thing despite DC being stupid enough to use a director who openly dislikes comic books to make their comic book movies. With regards to how this could possibly be relevant to the thread at hand in other ways, no, I don’t think he is even though he obviously likes Marvel’s movies at least.
Like I said earlier, it’s not like Marvel and DC are anathema to each other, so you can like both of them. If I can go back to using jimmy1200 as a example since you didn’t disagree there, then I’ll point out that he pretty hated every Marvel movie and said they were all trash without bothering to really ever explain why. Hades, he was usually the first one to bring up Marvel vs. DC even when no one else was talking about it or actively, explicitly comparing them.
Comparatively, I’ve only really seen po pimpus trash Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman, and Suicide Squad, but those are also all tonally the same because they’ve been at least touched, if not directed by Snyder, which just goes back to what I said above. I’m not sure what if he’s seen Man of Steel and at this point I currently don’t care if he did.
Again, what the fuck is your point here? I’m trying not to curse so much as of late, but there’s really no way I can say this less bluntly beyond stating that I’m beginning to think you don’t actually have one.
Anyway, I’m going for my daily walk, so if you reply to this reply–please don’t quote it–and such, then it will be at least two hours before I can reply. Just a heads up.
