"It's not X you should worry about -- it's me!" - The Zero Beginners Guide

System_1 · 2010-02-10T07:09:04.000Z

I’ve actually been using Viewtiful Joe and Zero together as a team for some time, and believe it or not, they can work together rather well. And even in the rarest of situations, give Zero an actual use for his Rekkouha. Joes support is damned hard to hit with, but if you do it just at the right time amidst the BnB, you can hit with it, and cancel your combo into the rekkouha, using it’s invincibility frames to avoid the hit and bounce the opponent right up into the rekkouha. Ultimately it’s more of a fun little add on thats ridiculously hard to do and completely unimportant, but I thought I might throw that out there.

Also, I’ve found that Joe and Zeroes aerial partner switches work out really well and are an effective way to keep the changeup game going. Either one can combo a 236P after their djB and continue an air combo pretty comforably where the other left off. If gives Zero some other use for his super bars he’ll be otherwise stocking and gets out a char who can really use them effectively, and even aircombo right back out of them to Zero so he can go about buiilding them up with his combos. I think they have a rather unconventional game insomuch as their regular assists don’t benifit the other like most peoples would, but they have a lot of nice combos as well, albeit rather piss-poor range XD

Jon_Slayton · 2010-02-11T10:17:49.000Z

Got a couple of Zero vids up in this thread if people are curious. Was my first night playing the game vs real people so I was dropping a few combos here and there and I definitely see where I could improve but I think this should show some of the stuff Zero can do and why he’s a fuckin beast:

http://www.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=170029&p=8360003&viewfull=1#post8360003

BardicKnowledge · 2010-02-11T21:51:40.000Z

xS A M U R A Ix:

Got a couple of Zero vids up in this thread if people are curious. Was my first night playing the game vs real people so I was dropping a few combos here and there and I definitely see where I could improve but I think this should show some of the stuff Zero can do and why he’s a fuckin beast:

The last Zero super through the opponent’s mega crash was especially impressive – great read on when he’d try it. Thanks for the vids!

Unessential · 2010-02-12T00:37:56.000Z

TheBird:

i found a zero/roll unblockable (midscreen only)

get the opponent in a ground combo ending in a level 2 charge shot. right as you shoot them, call roll

jump forward and use j.:snkb: for the overhead

if you timed it right, they will get up on roll’s puddle and under your j.:snkb: and take a guaranteed hit

you can continue juggling them for more damage afterwards, obviously

here’s a sample combo that uses this:

:snka: (keep holding :snka: for the charge),:snkb:,:d::snkb:,:snkc:,:r::snkc:,baroque,dash forwards,:snkb:,:d::snkb:,:snkc:,:r::snkc:,release charge, IMMEDIATELY call roll, jump forwards,j.:snkb:, (opponent is now taking a guaranteed hit) :snka:,:snkc:,:df::snkc:,air combo of your choice

For some reason I didn’t notice this post until today. I’m not at home so I can’t test it yet, But Does it work on full charge? I’m not so comfortable doing BBQ while holding a button,

(especially since I still don’t understand how it works – I know it cancels into a neutral state, but there are nuances with, do I need to hit another attack to combo out?, How early can I go away from the neutral state etc… and Training mode BBQ doesn’t let me test the things I’m unclear about =/)

However, If i don’t have to worry about lv 2, and a full charge works, Then I can just charge the shot like I do normally and try the unblockable…

I’ll definitely test when I get home though, but if you already know that would help a lot too.

edit: Also, Is it really an unblockable if you have to combo into it?

Spooty_Whiteboy · 2010-02-12T06:46:47.000Z

Unessential:

For some reason I didn’t notice this post until today. I’m not at home so I can’t test it yet, But Does it work on full charge? I’m not so comfortable doing BBQ while holding a button,

(especially since I still don’t understand how it works – I know it cancels into a neutral state, but there are nuances with, do I need to hit another attack to combo out?, How early can I go away from the neutral state etc… and Training mode BBQ doesn’t let me test the things I’m unclear about =/)

However, If i don’t have to worry about lv 2, and a full charge works, Then I can just charge the shot like I do normally and try the unblockable…

I’ll definitely test when I get home though, but if you already know that would help a lot too.

edit: Also, Is it really an unblockable if you have to combo into it?

The idea is that Roll’s water hits the floor and not the opponent (puddles have to be blocked low). Then, the opponent stands on the puddle while you do an overhead. Unfortunately, they can techroll once they hit the gorund…meaning this isn’t guaranteed.

System_1 · 2010-02-12T11:48:55.000Z

Hey, I’m having difficulties with a few things right now.

Firstly, I can’t seem to tiger knee 236B. I’m trying 2369B (on a gamecube cont), but zero usually performs super jump j.B. Does this error indicate that I’m doing something wrong? Does tiger knee normally cancel a super jump or a normal jump?

Secondly, I can’t get the combo 3C 623A xx 5A that Spooty introduced. I can perform the first two moves consecutively, but the 5A doesn’t seem to be able to hit them before they can guard. Advice?

Thirdly, in the combo, j.BB dj.BB lvl3Charge 214A 5A, I am just wondering what the ideal placement/timing is to consistently hit the shot & reach the ground. help?
Thanks.

fantasystar · 2010-02-12T14:38:23.000Z

Botulismnator:

Hey, I’m having difficulties with a few things right now.

Firstly, I can’t seem to tiger knee 236B. I’m trying 2369B (on a gamecube cont), but zero usually performs super jump j.B. Does this error indicate that I’m doing something wrong? Does tiger knee normally cancel a super jump or a normal jump?

Secondly, I can’t get the combo 3C 623A xx 5A that Spooty introduced. I can perform the first two moves consecutively, but the 5A doesn’t seem to be able to hit them before they can guard. Advice?

Thirdly, in the combo, j.BB dj.BB lvl3Charge 214A 5A, I am just wondering what the ideal placement/timing is to consistently hit the shot & reach the ground. help?
Thanks.

Are you using the little analog stick on the GC? I find it easier to hit hit the edges of the sides all the way. If it’s the little D-pad I can’t really help you. Ive tried that and it’s horrible to me.
The shoryu recovers pretty fast, so if they are blocking it, you just have to press the 5A a little faster. Press it to fast and nothing comes out. The way I noticed my mistake is that when I would go for my 5A and mess up, I realized since the recovery is fast he already turned around and was in neutral. I looked at the shoryu and tried again and eventually got used to it. Though I don’t use it in my matches because I would rather hold an A charge.
j.BB dj.BB lvl3Charge 214A 5A This works in the corner you can follow up from the shot mid-screen by bbq. I do J.BB slight pause DJ.BB release shot. As for going to the the ground do 214A after you release the shot. It doesn’t have to be done fast just make sure you have done the motion cleanly. When Ive messed up I either did it too fast or messed up the motion. I also noticed I paused a slight bit sometimes. And when you land do 5A.

Well I hope Ive been somewhat helpful.

Zero_Gamer · 2010-02-12T18:41:02.000Z

I don’t know if anyone has said this yet, but, in corner, after landing the LVL 3 Charge Shot, the opponent is in hitstun the entire time he’s falling and, depending on how high you both are prior to the Charge Shot, you can j.B him as you fall before he touches the ground and then relaunch into air combo. I think this would be stronger and much easier than LVL 3 Charge Shot --> 214A --> 5A, relaunch.

Unessential · 2010-02-12T20:51:33.000Z

A relaunch combo for BOTH my chars? Sweet. Lets get testing people!
Maybe we’ll get more iterations with this one.

Spooty_Whiteboy · 2010-02-12T21:20:15.000Z

Zero_Gamer:

I don’t know if anyone has said this yet, but, in corner, after landing the LVL 3 Charge Shot, the opponent is in hitstun the entire time he’s falling and, depending on how high you both are prior to the Charge Shot, you can j.B him as you fall before he touches the ground and then relaunch into air combo. I think this would be stronger and much easier than LVL 3 Charge Shot --> 214A --> 5A, relaunch.

It has been said. And, depending on how many hits you have before launch, you can even loop it 2 or 3 times. After that hit-stun scailing makes the combo no longer work. I personally find it harder than 214a, 5a; but it is better.

Grimalkin · 2010-02-13T04:48:59.000Z

Zero_Gamer:

I don’t know if anyone has said this yet, but, in corner, after landing the LVL 3 Charge Shot, the opponent is in hitstun the entire time he’s falling and, depending on how high you both are prior to the Charge Shot, you can j.B him as you fall before he touches the ground and then relaunch into air combo. I think this would be stronger and much easier than LVL 3 Charge Shot --> 214A --> 5A, relaunch.

Coulda sworn I responded to this this morn, but whatev.

j.C > 236b > 9 Release2/3 > j.B is mad easy to land in the corner, but I’ve tried many times to loop this combo 3x but to no avail. Delaying b&b helped just enough so that if I called in an assist I’d have another CS3, but I feel like it was way more effective to launch them at that point and release3 > 215a > 5a to relaunch.

The reason I say it’s less effective is because depending on the height of yr opponent, if yr trying to j.Release3 > j.B they may be too high to 5[A] B afterward, so launching is way safer.

If I can get my normal corner combo recorded w Tekkaman assist I’ll show a things off so ppl can get a visual. Also of how to combo off j.Release2/3 midscreen.

Tekkz · 2010-02-14T13:31:07.000Z

yes i am new so i ask is zero and yatter 2 a good team i like both characters

Jon_Slayton · 2010-02-15T23:02:45.000Z

Yeah they’re good, team has a lot of potential. Yatter helps with zero’s combos and zero gives yatter 2 a good anti air option and helps set up some of her stuff IE: blocking string > cover unblockable with zero > unblockable > BBQ > combo.

Or… overhead from her command dash > zero assist hit confirm > air combo. It’s not huge damage but it does give her slightly more threatening tools while being able to use an awesome partner.

For zero he can extend his combos with her using 2C 6C assist.

Tekkz · 2010-02-16T01:46:21.000Z

Thank u dude im really lost in this game right now and i really wanna learn just needin the help to understand i dont want anyone to hold my hand but i willl be a beast just gotta get some stuff str8 thanx again

kenmastersX · 2010-02-16T15:30:31.000Z

One thing I wanted to note, since Zero can’t do the dash glitch to dash full screen really, I figured out that at least holding down and pressing ABC to use that as a dash command three times is a lot faster to travel across the screen than just straight up running with Zero. You don’t control where you stop like with the normal run but instead cancel the run at the soonest possible time, so you do small runs.

Djangokage · 2010-02-16T18:04:31.000Z

I’m new to this game and after fiddling around with a bunch of people I’ve found two people that i like playing separately but i dont know if they will work well together,Zero and ippatsuman, can anyone help me with that? also I was thinking if ippatsu doesnt work out i might try tekka blade.

Sevans · 2010-02-16T18:27:42.000Z

I imagine that Ippatsuman would be a pretty solid partner for Zero. His assist can help to extend combos and provide a little flair to Zero’s command dash mix-up game. Also, you may try doing the Zero OTG -> Rekkoha -> DHC into the homerun super deal. Seems like it could work.

Jon_Slayton · 2010-02-18T15:33:32.000Z

Found some new tricks. j.C j.214B j.B in the corner crosses up.

j.C j.214D j.236 turns zero around for cross up opportunities low to the ground.

Strider_Chipp · 2010-02-18T21:03:55.000Z

Sound like cool move. But I don’t understand what you mean j. 214D j.236. I know these are inputs but you can actually use these commands with Zero while jumping.

Grimalkin · 2010-02-19T07:58:18.000Z

xS A M U R A Ix:

Found some new tricks. j.C j.214B j.B in the corner crosses up.

j.C j.214D j.236 turns zero around for cross up opportunities low to the ground.

j.214D? o_O

Yeah in the corner I been doin’ the same thing. j.C j.214C j.236B/C P - Parter will appear on the corner side of the opponent so long as you time it right, & Zero will hit over head on the front of the opponent. Legittt.