It'll Be Done Before You Know It -- The Steve Fox Combo Thread

[deathwish305]

guys whats the optimal combo for steve when he gets a wall bounce? mostly talking about when i get a crouching counter hit off of HK-MP, thanks!

[LockM]

First off, Holy crap man, how did you not end up with your fingers tied around the stick?

Second order of business: I’m having trouble linking Steve’s qcf. k -> m.p (forgot what the move was called, lol) into itself. what’s the timing on that exactly?

“Skyscraper”

First skyscraper can be done with any of the kick buttons, however the the 2nd skyscraper has to be done with the medium kick, otherwise you won’t hit it.
So example: cr.hp xx qcf+k>mp, qcf+mk>mp.
You can cr.mk xx sonic fang after the second skyscraper, however not after the third one, there you have to end it with f.mp>lp xx flicker.

If you already were doing this, basically it comes down to doing it as fast as possible.

[Match_Confirm]

“Skyscraper”

First skyscraper can be done with any of the kick buttons, however the the 2nd skyscraper has to be done with the medium kick, otherwise you won’t hit it.
So example: cr.hp xx qcf+k>mp, qcf+mk>mp.
You can cr.mk xx sonic fang after the second skyscraper, however not after the third one, there you have to end it with f.mp>lp xx flicker.

If you already were doing this, basically it comes down to doing it as fast as possible.

Thanks for the help, I’m still pretty new with Steve, and his BnB is pretty tricky for me to pull off in an actual match. I’ll keep working on it though.

[leafcolonel]

First off, Holy crap man, how did you not end up with your fingers tied around the stick?

Second order of business: I’m having trouble linking Steve’s qcf. k -> m.p (forgot what the move was called, lol) into itself. what’s the timing on that exactly?

You have to do qcf MK into MP as soon as he recovers, the timing is strict, but you can confirm the timing visually or by audio cue(crush you), practice it first without canceling into it, then try combos of HPs into it. I think it’s the most damaging meterless combo midscreen with the best corner carry in the game for Steve.

As for the best combo off a wall bounce you can do F+MP~LP into LP flicker x2, it’s weird, but Steve can do LP flicker x2 midscreen after a wall bounce, not sure if there are better combos off the wall bounce though.

Hmm, after checking Steve can do LP Flicker X2 off any wall bounce tag cancel midscreen.

[deathwish305]

You have to do qcf MK into MP as soon as he recovers, the timing is strict, but you can confirm the timing visually or by audio cue(crush you), practice it first without canceling into it, then try combos of HPs into it. I think it’s the most damaging meterless combo midscreen with the best corner carry in the game for Steve.

As for the best combo off a wall bounce you can do F+MP~LP into LP flicker x2, it’s weird, but Steve can do LP flicker x2 midscreen after a wall bounce, not sure if there are better combos off the wall bounce though.

Hmm, after checking Steve can do LP Flicker X2 off any wall bounce tag cancel midscreen.

i remember a combo vid a while back do mk into shoulder (miss) so he can hit with the uppercut and then go into typical bnb of cr.HP idk if its worth it or if you can do it on reaction but i’ll try your combo out it seems easier. and i could also hit the second skyscraper with qcf-HK skycraper, but i guess mk skyscraper is more reliable? also that combo can only come from cr.hp since cr.mp doesn’t stun long enough for skycraper to hit right?

colonel! go back to the general thread and answer my questions dammit! lmaoo i’d appreaciate it its like u totally forgot about that thread.

[leafcolonel]

i remember a combo vid a while back do mk into shoulder (miss) so he can hit with the uppercut and then go into typical bnb of cr.HP idk if its worth it or if you can do it on reaction but i’ll try your combo out it seems easier. and i could also hit the second skyscraper with qcf-HK skycraper, but i guess mk skyscraper is more reliable? also that combo can only come from cr.hp since cr.mp doesn’t stun long enough for skycraper to hit right?

colonel! go back to the general thread and answer my questions dammit! lmaoo i’d appreaciate it its like u totally forgot about that thread.

Hmm. I couldn’t get that work. And it doesnt look to be hit confirmable. I found out that you could also use LK Ducking into skyscrapper f+MP~LP Flicker, and that has better corner carry and does around the same damage. You are right that it doesnt matter what skyscrapper you use unless it’s lk where it wont work. And as far as I know you can’t link Skyscrappers off medium’s but you can do chain into crHP or clHP into ex ducking into skyscrapper. Yeah I had my finals so I didnt look at that.

[LockM]

I saw Ryan Hunter hit cl.hp very consistently after Steve’s f.mp>lp on Jibbo’s stream, so i tested it out, and to my surprise it is pretty easy. It’s one frame slower than cr.lp, so it’s a 3 frame link? Timing is a bit wierd in the beginning, but basically you hold downback long enough after f.mp>lp to do a flicker cancel, and then let go into neutral, you can wait pretty damn long to be honest and still link cl.hp.

Cl.hp opens up ALOT more options after f.mp>lp, and there is simply no reason not to do it. Only downside is that the f.mp>lp needs to get you close enough to do a cl.hp, but you more often get the lp in f.mp>lp to whiff than you would get a far hp anyway, so it’s not really something to worry about.

Also if you happen to connect a cr.hp xx skyscraper and you end up near the corner, but not close enough for cr.hp loop or not far away enough for f.mp>lp just immediately do lp flicker after the skuscraper. It will most likely hit and you can connect cr.mp xx whatever afterward.
This goes for any skyscraper you hit in the corner btw, always immediately go into lp flicker, you end up doing more damage anyway(only slightly though, but still)
so for the corner: Skyscraper, lp flicker, cr.hp xx lp flicker, cr.hp xx sonic fang.

Ryan also uses raw launcher sometimes in his juggle combos when he doesn’t want to waste meter, in corner and midscreen and it doesn’t even do significantly less damage. Midscreen after the f.mp>lp, and in corner after a lp flicker, example: whatever into Skyscraper, lp flicker, cr.hp, cr.hp xx lp flicker, launcher. Just mash the launcher.

Also seen the cl.hp flicker loop done in juggle combos midscreen, and it is more damaging than the one starting from Skyscraper. So cl.hp forward flicker cancel, cl.hp flicker cancel, cr.mp xx sonic fang. It’s surprisingly easy if you hit the initial cl.hp close enough and the opponent is high enough.

So for people who still play Steve and this game, there you have it. Seriousely though, i’ve said it before but really look at Ryan Hunter his Steve, it’s something else.

[The_5th_Horseman]

My Basic BnBs(You can subsitute any version of MP(Cl,st,cr) into crMP):
Off a tag in
crHP xx skyscrapper, f+MP~LP, any version of flicker
Corner Tag in
ClHP xx LP flicker, Flicker cancel, crHP xx LP flicker.

Midscreen meterless
crlp x2, chain crMP, Launcher
CrMP x2, chain crHK( only go for this if your partner is very low on life, and you want to charge a counterhit)
CrMP x2, Launcher(Unscaled 100 damage launcher, note even stHP will whiff on max range, so this both optimal and safer)
CrMP x2 xx foxhunt
crMP x2 xx Sonic Fang
clHP, Flicker Cancel, Crouch HP xx skyscrapper, MK skyscrapper, MK skyscrapper, f+MP~LP~b, any version of flicker
F+LP~MP, CrMP into any of the above
F+MP~LP~b, crLP , crMP into Launcher
F+MP~LP~b, crMP or CRHP into anything(tight link)
Albion Combination, crHP xx skyscrapper, f+MP~LP, any version of flicker
StMK~LP~HP, crHP xx skyscrapper, f+MP~LP, any version of flicker

Midscreen 1 meter
crMP x2 xx ducking xx Foxhunt xx
Same as above, but post EX Sonic Fang do clMP xx ducking LP, crMK xx Sonic Fang(Does not hardknockdown or give free tagins)

clHP, Flicker Cancel, Crouch HP xx Foxhunt XX EX Sonic Fang, cr HP Sky Scraper, F+MP~LP~b, any version of flicker

If skyscrapper puts you in the corner, omit f+MP~LP, and go for crHP into Sonic fang or LP Flicker.

Corner Combos-
Post Cutting Elbow/EX Fang/ Skyscrapper/EX Flicker or Tag in
CLHP or Crouch HP xx LP Flicker, Flicker cancel, Crouch HP xx LP Flicker OR Sonic fang
clMP, clHP xx LP flicker, Flicker cancel, Launcher(only meterless safe tag in corner)

Corner loop(meter dependent + you need to be exactly at the corner + standing opponent)
Anything ending in foxhunt xx EX Hellfire, link crHP xx foxhunt xx EX hellfire(if you have meter to continue), if meter is done crHP xx skyscrapper, cl HP xx LP flicker, flicker cancel, crHP xx LP flicker. Does insane damage depending on meter and starter, use hcf instead of qcf to avoid getting EX fang out.

Counterhit Combos
Counterhit Foxhunt, Foxhunt, EX Sonic Fang, CrHP, Skyscrapper, f+MP~LP~b, flicker
Counterhit Overhead, CrHP into LP Flicker, or CrHP xx Sonic Fang
Air to air Couterhit, CrHP xx LP flicker, CrHp xx Sonic Fang
It is worth supering or tag canceling off air to air counterhits or crouching counterhit overhead

Also after any midscreen F+MP/ LP Flicker etc you can do super, although the damage is generally not worth it.
When hit confirming with Steve, its generally very useful to use the counterhit signal to hit confirm during any part of his combos, considering how +frame his Mediums and flicker canceled Fierces are on block you will get a lot of counterhits, and you can use the signals to easily hit confirm at any point. You also have to mix your game up with throws a lot to land those counterhits.
MP/HP Flickers give you free hard tag(especially worth it if your partner is a zoner) , LP Flicker is better for meaty setups(also gives a free hard tag, useful if your partner is a mixup char), Sonic Fang maximizes damage(but doesnt add enough to make it worth using over flicker imo).

Things you need to tag cancel to combo off
Mid Screen LP Flickers(Usually never worth it, too much damage scaling, only use when you are sure you will get the kill)
Counter(Leads to juicy damage off tag cancels)
Gatling Gun(Command grab off ducking, most basic combo and usually most efficent is charge into super, some characters can do much more, but it’s team specific)

These are my Steve BnBs, they aren’t the most optimized or the flashiest, but are very practical and really hard to drop and do pretty decent damage. I like to save my meter for super usage for utility in the neutral game(for anti airing, whiff punishing, punishing chains), with super steve is a much more threatening of a character and that is your best use of meter, and for EX fang confirms( double the damage of steve’s solo output off MPs from 200ish to 450+, and add 80 damage to his HP confirms). It’s important to note if you have a hard damaging tag in partner, ie Hugo or Xiaoyu, you can do pretty good damage meterless off his 100 damage unscaled launcher off his MP.

Also, the core of Steve’s damage and his most damaging parts are the foxhunt(120 damage) into EX fang (110 damage), so the faster you confirm into those moves, the less the scaling and higher the damage ouput. In this game due to the scaling, you do not get rewarded for the flashier stuff, and the more meter you put into Steve’s combos late into the combo less the reward, but putting in meter early with foxhunt EX hellfire loops adds a lot of damage to Steve in the corner, but generally tagging in a super late in the combo adds no damage sadly.

Steve has fancy advanced combos with his clHP loop, although I dont think the effort and damage reward is worth it for those combos, however, mastering flicker cancels does wonders for his neutral frame trap pressure game though and that is worth mastering.

are these combos optimal?

basically I was going to ask if someone could post his best hit confirm, his best corner combo, his best combo off a boost chain, and his best midscreen combo, all meterless and solo (aside from the boost chain one)

if these combos listed are optimal, ill just stick with them. If not, could someone please post up the combos I requested? I would appreciate it a lot. I know steve is a combo monster.

By the way, I literally just picked him up 10 minutes ago fort the first time, and jesus H christ, ive found my anchor character. good god this dude is awesome.

bonus question:

any good frametraps / what they lead to ?

<333

[leafcolonel]

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I don’t play this game anymore but I might pick it up at 2013. The combos I posted iirc are not optimized for damage output but do close to max damage, they are optimized for positioning and setups as :lp: :mp: :hp: Flickers allow you to hard tag characters in to zone if you are playing Sagat/Guile for example, :lp: flicker gives Steve a charge up himself, and also gives him a hard tag post it. I’m also not sure if they removed his unscaled 100 damage launcher glitch in any updates.

As for frame traps your best options are:
-clHP Flicker Cancel clHP, or clHP flicker cancel crHP
-clMP, crMP
-crMP x2
-crHP, flicker cancel crMP

All of those lead to 450+ damage with 1 bar, the clHP frame traps do that much damage meterless.

[The_5th_Horseman]

thank you sir

[GenUser]

Want to give Steve a try again in 2013, this thread will be one of my bibles. lol

[BallTapper]

i just bought sfxt again to give it a 2nd chance with the 2013 update, and omg those update changes fixed everything i thought was wrong with the character, but my question is what do you guys do after counterhit overhead, im doing CH overhead f.mp>lp FLK cancel cr.hp FLK jab. does about 315+oki, anything that i could be doing that is better?

[Ghost_ic0n]

i just bought sfxt again to give it a 2nd chance with the 2013 update, and omg those update changes fixed everything i thought was wrong with the character

Yes, the 2013 update is absolutely amazing indeed.

what do you guys do after counterhit overhead

It’s situational for me. I can’t recall the exact damage output ATM, but I usually go for f.mp>lp FLK cancel cr.HP Ducking MP (Skyscraper) f.mp>lp FLK cancel LP (Hard knockdown). If I’m in need of corner carry + slight optimization, I use CH overhead cr.HP Ducking MP (Skyscraper) x2 f.mp>lp FLK cancel LP (Hard knockdown). Alternatively for (not recommended unless ending the round) damaging endings, I end either combos with Sonic Fang.