Item Drop in Brawl: Data and Discussion

System_1 · 2009-02-27T14:43:02.000Z

Reserved post.

Fluga · 2009-02-27T22:21:36.000Z

Only items set on HIGH are random as fuck. Med is fine.

BTW, items should be used more often. Back when Brawl started I was against items like a stupid fucker.

System_1 · 2009-02-27T23:11:41.000Z

It’s not as random as you think.

Fluga · 2009-02-27T23:49:33.000Z

Even on high? Really? Wow. That opens up even more possibilities…

Sonichuman · 2009-02-28T10:35:15.000Z

I am interested in your data…You’re going to be gathering this of your on volition correct? Keep posting of your findings…

Yin · 2009-02-28T19:34:03.000Z

This looks like it’ll be interesting! Next time I visit my parents place I’ll play some brawl with items with my brother and see if I can use what info you might gather or something.

If I had Brawl, I’d help you out. Collecting data is fun! Sometimes.

Keits · 2009-03-01T00:45:43.000Z

We ran and posted tests like these when Brawl first launched, and many of the hardcore items players were using this knowledge to do very well in all-brawl events.

System_1 · 2009-03-01T02:10:12.000Z

Sonichuman: Yes, I made the decision to do this.

Keits: Where is the data you collected? And what is “All-Brawl?”

Keits · 2009-03-01T02:20:00.000Z

All-Brawl is less than half a page down in the Brawl forum you are currently posting in.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=162502

Im sure the data we posted is in this forum somewhere to, but the conclusion was the same. Items spawn on a pretty controlled timer, and dont favor either player noticeably within 1 stock of eachother.

System_1 · 2009-03-01T02:48:28.000Z

So it’s basically ISP, but with less rules.

Keits · 2009-03-01T03:44:33.000Z

… Not even close…

System_1 · 2009-03-02T01:08:01.000Z

Oh…

Keits · 2009-03-02T05:41:38.000Z

Look, ISP is still a suggestion that one person (or a group of people’s) opinion on what is ‘fair’ is more important that someone else’s.

All-Brawl is our best attempt at playing with everything intact, ignoring any suggestion from any one person or group that something is unfair, and just playing the game to all its extremes.

Banning everything, banning half of everything, its all the same mindset, just different degrees.

All Brawl is/was the only ruleset getting competitive play that embraces the game for what it is.

Pimp_Willy · 2009-03-02T21:00:38.000Z

All brawl baby, up that metagame, etc etc

Fluga · 2009-03-05T03:19:34.000Z

The only gripe I have with All Brawl are SOME items and maybe 2 stages needs to be banned…

Keits · 2009-03-05T05:35:57.000Z

They dont though. That’s your opinion. Other people think nothing needs a ban, and others thing more needs banning. Thats why All-brawl is different. It ignores everyone’s opinion and lets the game be what it is.

On top of that, results have proven that none of the items nor stages need a ban.

Fluga · 2009-03-05T09:42:41.000Z

Well the only stage that COULD be banned in All-Brawl is 56M OR Mario Bros. Both stages have way to many hazards for players to handle that well.

Sonichuman · 2009-03-05T10:54:51.000Z

Aren’t the players allowed to pick stages in All-Brawl? if that’s the case then if neither person wants to go to that stage then they won’t pick it on the fact of them thinking it will ruin their chances…but if they think they can win then why not?

Keits · 2009-03-05T11:48:51.000Z

Fluga:

Well the only stage that COULD be banned in All-Brawl is 56M OR Mario Bros. Both stages have way to many hazards for players to handle that well.

75m was my favorite stage, and the hazards there are completely predictable.

Mario Bros is a good counterstage to quite a few characters.

Fluga · 2009-03-06T02:51:56.000Z

Keits:

75m was my favorite stage, and the hazards there are completely predictable.

Mario Bros is a good counterstage to quite a few characters.

75m is my favorite as well, if only because its looks exactly like the arcade copy.

Mario Bros I just dun like. To me, its too random, and D3 rapes on it more than most characters IMO.