Is Poison a "TOP" or a "BOTTOM"?

Neclord · 2014-07-25T20:09:28.000Z

echomancer:

Just wait until Edition Select comes out in August. Our worst nightmares will be Vanilla Sagat and AE Yang/Yun.

It’s too bad Poison only has one version to choose from. Imagine we could choose her SFxT iteration…

Just play ranked or don’t join edition select rooms.

echomancer · 2014-07-27T08:05:36.000Z

Neclord:

echomancer:

Just wait until Edition Select comes out in August. Our worst nightmares will be Vanilla Sagat and AE Yang/Yun.

It’s too bad Poison only has one version to choose from. Imagine we could choose her SFxT iteration…

Just play ranked or don’t join edition select rooms.

I’m up for the challenge. Besides, where is the fun in playing overpowered characters like Vanilla Sagat and Seth?

amrraed · 2014-07-27T09:43:12.000Z

echomancer:

I’m up for the challenge. Besides, where is the fun in playing overpowered characters like Vanilla Sagat and Seth?

I will say that winning is fun. I personally play characters that I like. If they happen to be top tiers like Superman or SFxT Cody (pre-patch) then awesome, if they did turn out to be low tier or mid like SF4 Poison and Cody then it is what it is and i stick with them. I generally don’t like the idea of low tier heroism, I mean i can understand tier whoring but not being a low tier hero is something i just don’t understand.

echomancer · 2014-07-27T12:40:23.000Z

amrraed:

echomancer:

I’m up for the challenge. Besides, where is the fun in playing overpowered characters like Vanilla Sagat and Seth?

I will say that winning is fun. I personally play characters that I like. If they happen to be top tiers like Superman or SFxT Cody (pre-patch) then awesome, if they did turn out to be low tier or mid like SF4 Poison and Cody then it is what it is and i stick with them. I generally don’t like the idea of low tier heroism, I mean i can understand tier whoring but not being a low tier hero is something i just don’t understand.

Just wondering, what does low tier heroism mean? Are you talking about people who play as Dan or Hugo just to show the community that these characters are viable?

I’ll be honest. I like playing as Poison because I like the character especially since she’s getting a sexy China dress costume in August.

eventhubs.com/news/2014/jul/25/summer-vacation-ultra-street-fighter-4-costume-dlc-announced-new-costumes-poison-elena-decapre-dudley-and-more/

Genistar · 2014-07-27T18:06:39.000Z

Apparently poison made top 8 at a major… are we doing something wrong?

Rever · 2014-07-29T02:08:10.000Z

Who made that happen?

zektback · 2014-07-31T01:38:30.000Z

Genistar:

Apparently poison made top 8 at a major… are we doing something wrong?

How the hell did that happen and who accomplished that trial?

echomancer · 2014-07-31T04:11:26.000Z

Genistar:

Apparently poison made top 8 at a major… are we doing something wrong?

I think Genistar is just kidding around, lol. Poison never made Top 8 at EVO.

Links · 2014-07-31T19:22:52.000Z

echomancer:

Genistar:

Apparently poison made top 8 at a major… are we doing something wrong?

I think Genistar is just kidding around, lol. Poison never made Top 8 at EVO.

Not to nitpick, but it was “a major”, not Evo. Genistar which major were you talking about?

echomancer · 2014-08-01T05:08:20.000Z

Links:

echomancer:

Genistar:

Apparently poison made top 8 at a major… are we doing something wrong?

I think Genistar is just kidding around, lol. Poison never made Top 8 at EVO.

Not to nitpick, but it was “a major”, not Evo. Genistar which major were you talking about?

I’ve been trying to search online for the info, but nothing has come up. sighs

Reinhart_x · 2014-08-02T19:36:55.000Z

Might be this, I’m not sure. It says Humanbomb played Sakura/Poison. http://shoryuken.com/2014/07/27/hong-kong-esports-tournament-feat-ultra-street-fighter-iv-streaming-live/

echomancer · 2014-08-02T20:29:56.000Z

Reinhart_x:

Might be this, I’m not sure. It says Humanbomb played Sakura/Poison. http://shoryuken.com/2014/07/27/hong-kong-esports-tournament-feat-ultra-street-fighter-iv-streaming-live/

Thanks for sharing. However, it looks like he only used Sakura during the finals, and she can be quite deadly in the right hands. Poison was probably used once or twice earlier on.

Here’s Humanbomb during the finals:

youtu.be/gGcRU4h7Iic

youtu.be/nkuQdto3CX4

Genistar · 2014-08-04T04:19:54.000Z

Poison missed op 32 at evo. I think whoever used her came in 33rd place or something.

echomancer · 2014-08-04T05:05:36.000Z

Genistar:

Poison missed op 32 at evo. I think whoever used her came in 33rd place or something.

Yes, his name was Acqua.

EVO results:
eventhubs.com/news/2014/jul/11/evo-2014-live-stream-ft-daigo-xian-infiltration-tokido-justin-wong-pr-balrog-ryan-hart-chrisg-fuudo-filipino-champ-flocker-mango-and-more/

Video of Acqua at EVO:
youtu.be/Mg4kteUMN2A

Other videos featuring Acqua:
youtu.be/tfSrQ38vGqQ
youtu.be/QJPcQRZJie4?t=21m50s

Do you guys think he’s a good Poison player? I noticed he didn’t use any flashy combos to win with her.

zektback · 2014-08-04T07:47:39.000Z

echomancer:

Genistar:

Poison missed op 32 at evo. I think whoever used her came in 33rd place or something.

Do you guys think he’s a good Poison player? I noticed he didn’t use any flashy combos to win with her.

I think he did pretty well. He really drives home the fact that Poison is pretty amazing at corner pressure. He didn’t use fwd+mp a lot, and more so relied on LMT. I loved when he used KBG and canceled into FA with a dash under and ended with HP. It kinda seemed as though the Sakura player didn’t really know how to deal with her and they started getting too frantic at the end and allowed Poison to control the match, maybe it’s just me. Those air tastu’s destroy her though…

Honestly I don’t use flashy combos with her either. When it comes to damage scaling, it doesn’t work in her favor, so you might as well keep it short and simple and just focus on setting the opponent up on wake up when its done.

One thing I do take away from this, utilize the hell out of her fireballs. And I still need to learn how to properly cancel attacks into FA + dash on a 360 controller quick enough.

tali · 2014-08-05T01:46:11.000Z

Does she have flashy combos? When I think of flashy I think of cool situational links or character specific combos.

I mained Ken so if I wanted flash I would go for something like:
Cl.mk, far.mp, sweep
(char specific)
Cl.mk, cr.hp xx hado fadc Cl.hk xx special (char specific)
Cl.mk, cr.hp xx hado fadc ultra 1/2

Fadcing the first hit of hp dp into a cr.lk and extending the grounded combo

Fadcing a dp and landing an airial ex tatsu etc

With poison her go to combos are already basic or 1 frame links and to get the ex fireball loop requires a corner and crouching opponent with strict spacing.

Only cool/flashy combos I do are
In the corner, ex rekka, lp rekka (1 hit), ex dp

Ending ex rekka into ex lmt for a KO

Close hk xx hp rekka (2 hit) red focus attack dash cancel, close hk xx ex rekkas, Hp rekkas
Looks cool but not worth it aside from that

Miller4ever · 2014-09-25T03:07:36.000Z

Nemo and Bonchan both have Poison #4.

She is placing pretty well in Japan’s Arcade Rankings and at one point was the most-used character among the top 100. Japan is definitely much higher on the character than the US, that’s for sure. Maybe Ricky (or someone else) will be able to show more of what the character can do in the States and turn that around. Still, I think they have her higher than where she’s going to end up, but who knows?

echomancer · 2014-09-25T10:50:20.000Z

Miller4ever:

Nemo and Bonchan both have Poison #4.

She is placing pretty well in Japan’s Arcade Rankings and at one point was the most-used character among the top 100. Japan is definitely much higher on the character than the US, that’s for sure. Maybe Ricky (or someone else) will be able to show more of what the character can do in the States and turn that around. Still, I think they have her higher than where she’s going to end up, but who knows?

Did Nemo and Bonchan even explain why they placed Poison in the Top 5? Some of the comments from other users question their overall logic.

Poison is a very solid character, but she doesn’t have anything that gives her an edge against opponents. Top 5 is only reserved for characters that have something that make them overpowered. Realistically, Poison is a mid-tier character. Her 1f links make her a nightmare to combo with. She’s popular in Japan because a lot of Japanese players are perverts. Every FEMALE character in Street Fighter is placing well in Japan’s Arcade Rankings.

Also, Ricky Ortiz tried using Poison at one point but dropped her for Rolento/Rufus.

tali · 2014-09-25T15:59:12.000Z

echomancer:

Miller4ever:

Nemo and Bonchan both have Poison #4.

She is placing pretty well in Japan’s Arcade Rankings and at one point was the most-used character among the top 100. Japan is definitely much higher on the character than the US, that’s for sure. Maybe Ricky (or someone else) will be able to show more of what the character can do in the States and turn that around. Still, I think they have her higher than where she’s going to end up, but who knows?

Did Nemo and Bonchan even explain why they placed Poison in the Top 5? Some of the comments from other users question their overall logic.

Poison is a very solid character, but she doesn’t have anything that gives her an edge against opponents. Top 5 is only reserved for characters that have something that make them overpowered. Realistically, Poison is a mid-tier character. Her 1f links make her a nightmare to combo with. She’s popular in Japan because a lot of Japanese players are perverts. Every FEMALE character in Street Fighter is placing well in Japan’s Arcade Rankings.

Also, Ricky Ortiz tried using Poison at one point but dropped her for Rolento/Rufus.

He still uses her, and frankly he needs to work on her a lot, he doesn’t know any set ups and doesn’t optimize a lot of situations.

jebop · 2014-09-25T17:04:34.000Z

Ricky always drops female characters eventually. Ricky doesn’t believe in her bad bitches.

I knew Zangief would be thrown in there eventually. Nemo has been saying Poison top 5 since Ultra release, and Zangiefs army are coming strong with the few buffs they got.