It’s not really a degree I guess. It’s just sort of how I input the command. Sometimes, i’ll “scum gale” it and it works.
you just do hcf + uf and you get the standing pile driver. The throw range decrease, and the wiffing lag increase by a few frames. I forgot the exact numbers, but the standing pile driver and full 360 pile drivers have a slightly different move performance.
As for jab > pile driver tick throws, I just buffer the 360 while you’re jabbing, and then press another botton a breath later.
btw;
The reason why ppl tend to look down on auto-abuser is…is cuz they tend to suck. Why the hell do you wanna play against some dude who does the same thing with an autofire over and over w/o much skill? That’s the same thing as playing an AI, and that gets quire boring. ( The kaillera mass production Gen style, for example. )
ty for that info.
i look down on any player who sucks… but that’s not the point
Everyone sucked at certain point. Though, by cheating, they give up on the attempt to improve, which is why I look down on them.
I don’t care about a player’s ability to improve, unless i see and play with them often and/or they’re not at my level of skill yet. maybe that’s one reason why it doesn’t bother me
Well I would have to disagree with the Counterstrike statement. Even in Beta 6, when the netcode was old school and different, I Could pull off consistent headshots, in every server, and on every guy. I was just that good (not to brag), in beta 6, people said I had an aimbot, those didn’t exist until around the later betas closer to 1.0 retail (in CS). In 1.5, I could get consistent headshots in anyone with an ak/colt, the moment I popped out, reaction, skill, and precision. Sure sometimes I would miss and I would get pissed, but most of the time it was dead on. There are just people who might be using auto fire, or simply practice with lag so much they pull it off. In Last Blade 2, I could pull off some pretty nice combos with a kb (the basic ones are easy, but the other ones are hard with lag). Its just a matter of time spent on playing.
Speaking of Ortiz has he come back from Japan yet? I haven’t seen him in a while and I’m overdue for a beasting in 3s.
It’s Cheating
The man who wrote the above “Dark Gaiden” is one of the bigger cheaters on Kaillera. I’m not surprised in the least that he was one of the first persons to reply to this thread. Using the nickname “DGV”, his stomping ground is the east coast “God Weapon” server. I’ve played him a few times and his offense consists of nothing but feirce fireball spam, and jab DP’s (usually in pairs of two or three). He claims he just uses “a good ol’ snes pad” but he dps in CLUTCH situations with 90ms ping. Speaking from experience, you simply cannot dp on command in tight situations on kaillera with 30ms ping, let alone 90ms. Not only this it’s done on the Turbo 3 speed setting! What a joke; while this guy MAY use an snes pad, it is certainly programmed, Check this out: http://www.gamersgraveyard.com/repository/snes/peripherals/controllers-programmable.html
Scroll a little past 3 quarters down, and check out the SN Program Pad. Heres a quote from the description: “In addition to having 29 preprogrammed moves for Street Fighter II and Fatal Fury, you can program in your own. Also, this controller has independent turbo and auto fire for each button” Interesting huh? To make matters worse, this cheater throws out names like Choiboy, and talks about “meet me at evo”, “online new school players all complain” and things of that nature trying to sound like hes top tier player or something. This is a case of someone who has been playing for a while, developed some pretty good cheese, but always got owned by a real player, so now he cheeses and cheats online and talks like a he is a pro. Even if he doesn’t cheat, which is about as likely as T. Hawk starring in Capcom’s next 3D action adventure game, how could you want to win matches only spamming fireballs and DPing? What’s the fun in playing the classics if all you are going to do is showcase its weaknesses and cheapness? DGV if you see this, I want to let you know you aren’t convincing anyone. I’ve seen countless other players call out your shortcut taking ways. Learn how to play and fight with some honor. You are really only cheating yourself.
…ok, you need to learn more about ping and lag. I’ve once had over 100 ping, yet the game played incredibly well, and I had no noticeable delay. At other times, I’ve had 30 ping and the game lagged horribly and I had terrible delay, while the opponent would say “what lag/delay?”. Your grounds for cheating are also poor. Ok, so perhaps he can dp in clutch situations, but if he messed up at any point (as well as messing up combos and such), which I’m sure he has, then there’s no reason to believe he is cheating.
Because it works and he wants to win…
You people are hillarious. Yesterday I met someone named T-G (with some other symbols in his username). This guy is just weird. First off, he was talking to some other MvC player, telling him that the combos he was doing (air combos and such) were impossible, and that he was using macros. T-G asked the guy if he was using a pad, and the guy was, and T-G immediately said “thought so”, as if using a pad was immediate grounds for using macros. So I challenge this guy to KoF2k2, who he claimed was a pro at it (mind you, he didn’t have the bootleg, he said only noobs use it, so I had to play him in the non-bootleg version). It ends up this guy is a total noob and barely knows any moves. He continuously spammed risky moves with bad recovery, so he kept getting comboed. Then he also accused me of using macros and that I was lying about using a keyboard, and that my shit was obvious. Apparently after me landing Kula’s 10 hit combo in the corner, he said I “gave away” my secret of using macro programs. He even asked me if I used videos (???), because he claimed you can program combo videos into the game itself. This guy clearly has no clue what he’s talking about. What a scrub…he got OCVed 6 times in a row, and the final score was 20-0.
Neo Geo Boy wants to comment on SF
Emil, I’ve seen you online, the only game you play is KOF 2k2. You have no skill or experience in Super Turbo, because if you did, you would play it once in while. So take your neo-geo opinions elsewhere. Also, gamers who play with the “cheese to win” attitude will always get beaten by skilled players who play with some class. Sure, throwing 50 fireballs in a row and dping over and over when someone jumps will earn you some wins, but if you really want to win that way, you lack skill and honor. In my opinion.
I play SFA3, SvC Chaos and some Garou. The topic was about cheating, not specifically SSF2T. Whether we’re talking kof2k2 or SSF2T, grounds for autofire and macro programs are the same.
That said, the people who play with some class LOSE to “cheese to win” players, for the most part. That’s how it is. The majority of tourney players exploit rediculous things in order to win, while your usual “I’m not going to be cheap” player will limit himself by not exploiting shit. Yes, being cheesy doesn’t prove much in terms of skill (well it could, depends), but that’s onlyl if you’re playing to prove your skill.
Don’t cry because you can’t win. DGV has been around since the old days on X-band for snes and he was well known even back then (before there were such things as online hacks) Yes the way he plays is a little boring, but you know what, it works. Playing “for fun” is the calling card of a typical scrub. In your world, everyone should win and all that matters is that we had a good time :encore:
Also, try copying DGV’s “cheesy” tactics. Its a lot harder than you think. If all he did was rely on turbo and macros, he wouldn’t have such a good knowledge of guessing games and spacing. I’ve tried using the same tactics on DGV, but he knows when to jump and when to block…things I have yet to grasp in that game despite being able to pull off specials at the same rate as him and knowing the general gameplan
Btw, turbo 3, despite the faster action, makes doing moves easier too. The same principle applies to why its easier to do moves offline. Turbo 3 sort of compensates for lag
LOL
Your ignorance is astounding. It’s not that hard to do moves with a 90 ping…im guessing your hardware is hindering your gameplay. All 90 ping does is create delay…so “one” would have to anticipate their opponents move in order to be successful. Anticipate being the keyword; all I was doing was anticipating your basic gameplan. Your Blanka was so predictable with the jumpins. You should play Maxstah’s (one of the best HF Blanka players in the US) for some basic tips as you demonstrated that you have no real grasp of the Blanka vs shoto matchup. Then there was your Gief, which did nothing but ill-advised clotheslines. The thing you don’t seem to understand is that SF2 deals with alot of zoning and positioning. I didn’t even have to do anything special against you as you were beaten by basics. The truth you don’t wish to acknowledge is that you really don’t know how to play SF2. You’re still playing the game with your own “homemade rules” of what is cheap. I’m sure you would cry/whine if you were to play Shirts and his O.Sim as he would just throw you around all day long. Then you would probably call him a cheater with no skill, since anyone who dominates you must be cheating. God forbid, some people have actually been playing SF2 since '91 and have actually developed high level strategies that most cannot even fathom.
As for my hardware, it’s a regular snes pad junior :tup: Anyone who was at the last Evo saw me using it. That comment about getting “owned by a real player” is laughable. Where were you at last year’s Evo? Where you playing Cole, Valle, Spence and many other ST top players the entire weekend? Nope. You really are clueless.
Your whole [gamers who play with the “cheese to win” attitude will always get beaten by skilled players who play with some class] is utterly absurd. So, by your own definition, a person who throws alot of projectiles is “cheesing.” So by your theory, John Choi’s O. Sagat is just cheesing and gets beaten by skilled players? LMAO
Also, if my playstyle means that I lack “skill and honor” to you…oh well…I’ll live. Trust me, having your validation doesn’t mean anything.
Regarding playstyle, everyone has their own style. Deal with it. Who are you as random player x to tell someone to stop doing something just because you lack the skill and knowledge to get out of it? Oh wait…its not “fun” LOL Sure it may not have been fun for you, but it was quite amusing to me to see how you couldn’t even escape the basics…that was fun 
Truth be told you’re just a player who played by his/her own set of rules back in the day and never changed. Anything or anyone that played with a different style that you couldn’t figure out was “cheese” to you. As tempting as it is, I won’t completely knock on you as you’re still in the “ignorant stage” of SF development. Everyone was in that stage at some point, but most to a lesser degree. The real question is whether you learn to adapt or remain in your fantasy world of SF2.
I’m kind of curious, if you were to attend Evo this year and played me. What would be your excuse for losing? Let me guess, “damn him and his pad!” “You’re cheating because you were not using a stick.” Sorry I had to get that extra jab in, but your posts are so amusing.
nope, you’re absolutely wrong. but you suck. not made to be an insult (though at this point, I don’t care how you take it. because I don’t care much for scrubby players), this is honesty. there is no such thing as “a skilled player with class”. that’s the biggest oxymoron ever.
and dude even I can fireball and DP consistently, and i’m not even a SSF2T player anymore. why the hell would someone as skilled as DGV need that move “programmed in”?
before i go, i’ll let you in on a little hint concerning levels of skill: just because you can do a move instantly doesn’t mean you’re getting anywhere. i’ve played a XvSF Magneto do the longest combo strings I’ve ever seen, even bigger than some of the combo vid comboes i’ve see. and yet my Ryu always came out with at least half life. would you like to know why? it’s because I’m better than he is
In certain games, its easy to win being a scrub with little ‘skill’ when you get comfortable with few of the things you can constantly abuse, unless the other opponent is a player with much higher skill class than he is.
With that being said, skill does not directly correspond with player’s ability to win. A skilled player may take risks willingly from time to time to spice up the game. When I went to Hong Kong or Japanese arcades, I’ve seen people who were pretty damn godly in games like SS4 and A3 do that; simply because it makes the game more interesting.
Let me put it this way;
Would most people feel the same fullfillment after beating someone who abuse effective yet very limited variety of moves simply by countering them by good execution, compared to beating someone who actively engage in an intense mind game? I know first hand what it plays out like, since gasp I use gief in A3 as my sub char. It takes half as much skill to get the same result as other character, but the gameplay won’t be as deep.
Ryuu;
You are pretty damn ignorant. First of all, regarding the comments about players who suck; there are quite a bit of players out there who are way better than you, and by their standard you absolutely suck. What does that make you?
Secondly, skill and class has nothing to do with one another, in any way. Class is something like, a more skilled players adjusting their play style a bit when they play someone with much lower skill, so that they can both enjoy the game. Totally annihilating a noob with expert class skill is called MASTURBATION gaming. You wanna strife some gonads, do it yourself. Skill, on the other hand, is simply a word to sum up how well players can execute, read deeply into mind games, manage the game and what not. Ability to play well does not correspond to ability to be a nice person.
(For ppl who doesn’t seem to read in full context to my statement, I am NOT saying it doesn’t take skill to win, at all. I’m also not defending MrKarate, since obviously what he’s saying is out there. I’m just saying, gaming is, after all, about having a good time; and you can’t have a good time unless you’ve got someone to play with)
Mr. Karate,
You and I are about the only ones who understand what is going on here.
- You other people keep saying “I can do this and I can do that with xx ping” and “I can do this in tight situations.”
What Karate and I are talking about is not the ability to pull off a move. It’s pulling off the move in a certain time frame.
Example: Ryu1999 who I believe uses macros , seems to be able to pull of any “rising” move everytime. He does the Rising Dragon Punch, Rising Flash Kick, and even the Rising Spinning Pile Driver.
I have worked on this to test my theory and even with mames built in auto-fire (which is fast) held down, I can’t pull off the rising moves even half the time online.
You can also look at players fireballs. In a fireball fight, I have thrown them as fast as possible and eventually Ryu1999 has been able to somehow throw them quicker. So quick, that after 2-3 fireballs, they will start to catch up to you before you can throw one to block it.
Play his Fei Long in SSF2T. He does Fei Longs triple punch move so fast you can’t recover after the first hit. Again, I have tried this with auto-fire and still can’t throw it as fast as this.
The move is the same as a hadoken, so I bet you he is just holding down the macro key to spam it everytime.
Not to mention the fact that he always uses like characters. I beat him several times the other day and he would only play Ryu, Ken, Sagat, or Dhalsim. They all have similar move sets. They all have a fireball. And 3 out of 4’s supers are the same. Even after I beat him 3 times in a row, he continued to use Ken. And then he finally switched to Sagat.
On other days, he only plays characters with charge moves, like Guile or Balrog.
are you kidding…
he could be using the Daigo finger drum technique which gives him 6 inputs to pull off the reversal…
using 5 characters is using the same characters over and over?
my advice to you is to practice and stop acting like a dumbass because you have no idea what the hell you are talking about…
Obviously, if you were throwing them as fast as possible (in the game), he would not be throwing them faster. You’re just slow. Also, what would happen if you actually were able to do them faster than Ryu? Would he have a valid reason to suspect you of autofire/macros? Your entire argument is rediculous.
LOLOLOL
Dude, you’re obviously a scrub. Fei’s REkkas are SUPPOSED to combo. Why would Capcom give him a useless punch rush that only hit on ch. This isn’t Tekken. Also, about fireballs…Old RYu’s fireballas are faster than any other Fb in the game outside of O. Sagat. But you’d know that being a ST master and all :rolleyes:
Mr. Karate,
The only way you can even begin to save face is to show up at Evo. It’s that simple, since you prefer to be beaten soundly in person. And once you have been beaten, I suppose you will just relegate your comments to phrases like “well, that’s just being chessy, etc.” If you would like, my bro (DG) and I will gladly play you on Zsnes without what YOU would call non-macro/programmable move-favoring characters. We will pick only Guile, Chun, Sim, DJ, and Rog just illustrate how off base you really are. If you don’t believe we use a snes pad (official Nintendo one) just ask Cole. He will gladly tell you that we used that pad against him at Evo and even let HIM USE IT too(oddly enough, he played piano style with it) when we were all up till midnite shootin’ the breeze talking about the good ol’ Xband days.
I was thinking I would only comment on Mr. Karate’s post but it seems that I have to draw upon some earlier posts in regards to the term “skill.” I can’t believe how this term has been misrepresented. As such, I find myself posting to clarify. First of all, I do acknowledge that performing “flashy” combos takes skill. To execute anything in a fighter takes skill…however TRUE SKILL is winning within the rules of the game (in the case of ST, winning without using Akuma-since he is banned). It’s that simple. If that means abusing a certain technique over & over , then so be it. Granted, a majority of players will not have fun playing against you. But in all honesty, why would anyone care about the majority? The majority of players will always whine & complain about a tactic that they cannot escape. This is primarily why most of you are even here posting on this forum. Most of your closest hometown friends got tired of playing against you and thus you sought out other players to compete against to try out your tactics as well as learn some on your own. I’m appalled when I see people complaining on THESE forums about a player’s style of play. We are all primarily on this site because we love to play and compete against other people. Being on this site let alone, Kaillera, implies that you are hardcore on some level. So, subquently, we should all be at the point where we have advanced beyond complaining about one’s style of play. I mean, would you honestly enter a tourney, lose, and then start complaining about the tactics that bounced you out to everyone there? I doubt that. Now, some of you may say, well, Kaillera is not a tourney environment. Which to some extent is true. The lag on Kaillera takes away many elements that would be conducive to high level competitive play. But it must be noted that, ANY FORM of competition is inherently a tourney environment. Sure, some of you may interject that you are playing just for fun. Well, if that were the case, you wouldn’t be on Kaillera. Were you in fact playing for fun, you would just simply play against the CPU without any lag. The fact that you are on Kaillera sort of entails the fact you are seeking competitive play. Competitive play means winning at all cost (hopefully within the established rules). By being on here, I would assume most of us have already reached this level of discernment about what True SKill is. If you are currently a member of this site and have not, I urge to you quickly get there. For, should you choose not to, you will routinely be chatised about your ignorance.