@pherai, but they are part of the problem. You can’t address the issue of education, with out looking at the kids. I rememvber the days before Itouch, instead of texting each other, faggots passed notes with each other, or used MP3/CD players to play mosquito white noise all day.
You have to be shitting me if you don’t think other students can have an effect on one students performance. No one said anything about waiting for the next generation. What was being said is that just blaming the teachers and the parents isn’t sufficient, as there’s quite a few students who go above and beyond to ruin education for other students. And this isn’t just one or two knuckleheads, this is an actual sizable part of the student body.
I think there is a stigma against math and other subjects that creates these “Math Person/[Field] Person” divisions that convince students that they aren’t able to succeed in a particular subject simply because they got a C in it at one point. I consider math to be my worst subject, yet I did value it as a learning experience for learning different perspectives on how to solve problems (as well as learn what I didn’t want to go into when I got older). Not excelling at a particular subject doesn’t mean that there isn’t something to learn from it.
Likewise, just as it is foolish to state that basic Algebra isn’t applicable in some form (not necessarily the exact word problems but the modes of thinking behind them, which is really the whole point of math classes unless you’re going into that field), it’s also foolish to state that humanities/liberal arts courses are ez-mode or useless. They aren’t “practical” and may not make the most money, but art and culture are incredibly important to a nation’s identity and integrity, and can allow us to question the world around us in different ways than science can. Balance is key.
He’s saying there’s more than the students to hold at fault like the current trends/culture, teachers, education system, parents, etc.
[media=youtube]WGlHWWeStSE[/media]
[media=youtube]9GfqrZeNAik[/media]
When you can call other people “Oreo”,“Faggot”,“White Boy/Girl”, “Lame” and actively try to destroy their achievement, and STILL blame the “White Man” for why you’re fucking flipping burgers or unemployed, you can go fuck yourself! This isn’t to say anything about radically underfunded districts, this is purely about a strong mentality I’ve seen even in “middle class” high schools.
And this isn’t just limited to black students, as has been emphasized by several posters in this thread, there’s a rotten anti-intellectual strand in American culture that has been going on for quite some time, where it’s literally fucking expected to be a retarded imbecile.
[media=youtube]Bx4pN-aiofw[/media]
edit@Mr.X: He said it was lazy to blame the students themselves, and I’m stating it isn’t. They are just as much part of the problem, it’s not just teachers, it’s not just parents, it’s not just “jersey shore” or other trash in pop culture, the students themselves also have some blame.
ok, so how do you solve the problem of kids who don’t care about education? It’s not that I don’t believe students themselves can hinder the education process, but what purpose does it serve to blame them? You won’t get students to take education more seriously without changing the behaviors of educators and parents, which are the people you’re shifting blame from anyway when you point a finger at students.
^Strong disciplinary measures for these assholes who try to ruin education for others is the first step.
As to their own learning and whatnot, that’s where the parents need to come in and put their foot up these punks asses, instead of expecting teacher’s to not only teach but literally raise their children for them.
I actually struggled with Algebra myself, and that’s because my teacher just couldn’t teach. Many were failing the class, and it was an advanced class(and I was more than the average student, took many AP courses). When the teacher was out for a while a sub came in who used to teach the same course, and I understood EVERYTHING. My teacher was the reason for struggling. I basically had to teach myself, with minimal help from other sources. Maybe we should put less blame on the kids and take a look at the teachers. Teacher’s aren’t paid well, so how can we expect them to do their jobs well, the people who can do it pass it up to teach at colleges instead. High Students don’t learn what they need to succeed because the people to teach them are not there.
Let’s bring emphasis to a problem via memes:
Fuck math and the people who like it.
http://voices.yahoo.com/was-derrion-albert-killed-acting-white-5068490.html?cat=9
Clearly some of you have never had to deal with piece of shit trash. And I mean it at all levels(not just ghetto kids, middle class kids and so on, punk thugs come from all income levels, trying to “keep it real”). That is squarely the student and parents fault, not the schools.
Your personal experience does not extend to others. I have an aunt who teaches English Literature for “trouble students” or whatever you want to call them at a community college and she says it’s beyond frustrating to figure out how to get these kids to even take interest in what they’re reading or an essay prompt because it doesn’t directly relate to their personal lives. To every issue like this there are multiple facets that we can’t forget.
The hole. Im dead serious, the hole will be adequate punishment for these idiots
^Seriously, some of the posters in here must’ve went to some great schools to have never encountered any of these demonic little urchins.
I’m a grown man. The other day I used the word ‘existential.’ The reaction I got was “WHOA WHOA WHOA DON’T USE SUCH A BIG WORD!” That gets passed right down to their kids.
Also fuck this thread. Get rid of ALGEBRA? This is why I’m going to home school my kids.
I honestly think Algebra should be optional. They should put more focus on computer sciences and certifications for jobs.
I fucking hate Algebra. I can only see it being useful if you’re an architect or involved with anything requiring high level math.
When I was a CS major in college, I got up all the way to differential calculus. When I switched majors, I had no more math classes to take which worked for me since I failed Calc 2 once already. In my defense, I didn’t understand a word my professor told me but when I took the class again my new professor explained things well. Sadly now, I can barely understand what algebra even is and it showed when I took my GRE. I wish I could do math at the level I was once at but my old ass is focused on words more than numbers.
They’ll just teach them how to use Math Lab.
If you cant recognize that the concepts oultined in basic high school algebra (isolating/identifying unknown varibales) arent used at everyday levels, I would hope that you simply cannot make the connection maybe due to lack of exposure. Otherwise you may be one of those people incapable of simple algebraic thought, supplanting it with rote execution, floating through life oblivious to simple relationships. Members of this particular archetype (that you may belong to), are totally mystified when things dont go ‘the way they are supposed to’ and instead of recognizing where they went wrong (or accounting for known/unknown factors) resort to either (a) curling up into the fetal position and dying a little or (b) blaming others in a defensive, ego-driven stuporfury.
This thread should not exist.
I may or may not have used algebraic thought in the course of constructing this response.
and then we end up with a bunch of engineers that can’t build bridges.