Interesting Changes to Anti-Air Assists

[Bronzefist]

Hulk’s Gamma Charge assists (both the ground and AA versions) have super armor–meaning that they can absorb 1 hit and still continue. If you hit him twice or more (like with some projectile that hits 3 times) then you will stop the attack.

Hulk’s Gamma Wave assist (the rock toss) doesn’t have any super armor AFAIK.

Thor’s assists have never been reported to have super armor, however someone on the Thor forum mentioned that his Mighty Strike (torpedo move that can be done in three directions) can pass through projectiles. Therefore his Mighty Strike assist may have that property.

[Higher-Jin]

Yeah I was just testing this and nah thor is still useless but she hulks flash kick seems pretty decent because of the angle she comes it its pretty useful not sure if its inv though

Thor is still a great character, and his Mighty Smash assist is useful for combos/baiting, it just isn’t invincible from frame one. So far, only Haggar’s Lariat seems to have that privilege.

[Fome]

When I say invincible, I mean just a few frames in the beginning. I don’t mean it’s completely invincible all the way up like Ken or Cammy’s assist. In MvC2, Ryu’s AAA was invincible when he jumped in and he continued to be invincible for few frames after his hitbox became active. He was not invincible the whole time, but if someone was on top of you, he would beat out just about anything they were doing. In MvC3, Ryu jumps in, is vulnerable for about half a second, and THEN he starts his shoryuken which has a few frames of invincibility during the beginning. That’s the difference. If there’s a meaty attack where Ryu would come in, MvC2 Ryu would beat it out, whereas MvC3 Ryu would get stuffed. I hope I clarified what I meant by invincible anti airs.

In the MVC3 guide, it says Ryu has NO INVINCIBILITY whatsoever on his shoryuken assist. Have you tested to make sure that he is only vulnerable during his entrance, and not also as he starts the move?

[Cisco]

These are the Invincible AAA’s in MvC2 that I know for sure.

1. Psylocke [Start-Up]
2. Cyclops [Start-Up]
3. Ken [until he lands]
4. Jin [stops being invincible when he gets naked]
5. Cammy [when she hits someone she loses invincibility. If whiffs then until she lands]

Ryu and CapAm never had invincible AAA’s in MvC2. Infact Cap’s AAA had terrible priority. Ryu I can’t recall, but Akuma’s AAA can get stuffed. Morrigan was always never invincible as well. The way we tested how “invincible” an assist was if it could survive a hailstorm. Ken was the only one that had full invincibility while he was out until he started to land. Psy/Cyke could get through some of it before their invincibility ran out.

From what I gather, there are very few flat out invincible assists. The only one that we know for sure is Haggar’s Lariat and the rumored VJ’s AAA.

You sure about Akuma?

[Jamp]

Haggar’s assist has invincibility from start until he does a couple of spins.
Then you can hit him low like Zangief.

[Cisco]

What about phoenix’s dash-like assist? I heard it stuffs out almost all the assists.

[TheGlow]

Slightly off topic but I find it amusing to get stuffed out of hypers before the game even slow down to show you any special animations. I start wondering if I even did the hyper right until I realize I have a level missing.

[Pasky]

Slightly off topic but I find it amusing to get stuffed out of hypers before the game even slow down to show you any special animations. I start wondering if I even did the hyper right until I realize I have a level missing.

Ya, supers have quite a bit of startup in MvC3.

[Tanion]

What about phoenix’s dash-like assist? I heard it stuffs out almost all the assists.

Perhaps once she is on the screen she may have decent priority, more so when she is in Dark Phoenix mode. But I have seen her get stuffed from time to time from random stuff. As for Akuma’s AAA in MvC2, it was never invincible.

[Karsticles]

How is Magneto’s Magnetic Field? Easy to stuff like the rest?

[mr_punk]

Hsien-Ko with Dark Force gains hyper armor, it seems like she takes more damage by things with multiple hits aka beams. Much like how Colossus took extra damage/had slowdown when he took a beam to the face. Perhaps less invincible assists was a balance decision so that characters simply won’t be "assist characters".

it’s possible. i think it might be the reason behind the seemingly inconsistent decisions concerning non-AAA assists. for example, Zero can keep Sougenmu as an assist. Arthur can keep Gold Armor as an assist. OTOH, IIRC, Doramammu Liberation charge gets consumed when used as an assist and MODOK’s LoU can’t be used at all as an assist.

[Karsticles]

it’s possible. i think it might be the reason behind the seemingly inconsistent decisions concerning non-AAA assists. for example, Zero can keep Sougenmu as an assist. Arthur can keep Gold Armor as an assist. OTOH, IIRC, Doramammu Liberation charge gets consumed when used as an assist and MODOK’s LoU can’t be used at all as an assist.

I think that’s more of a balance issue. Morrigan also loses Astral Vision during assist. Arthur is balanced TO have Gold Armor on his assists, as is Zero. Dormammu’s full-power liberations are as strong as some hypers in the game, so having it as an assist would without a doubt make him the best assist in the game right now. If they toned his liberations down, then they wouldn’t be worth using, because Dark Hole and Purification are already so good. LoU are probably more of a practicality issue - do you want to use a LoU or not? How do you decide? It would be irritating if LoU were always consumed when you were not interested in using them. Plus, LoU-buffed Shield Barrier is too high to jump over - can you imagine someone like Sentinel hiding behind one of those?

[Tanion]

@ mr_punk: I believe for that reason as well, considering some of the assists can be “powered up” but not only that. In MvC2 some assists were simply too good and that alienated a lot of characters for just BEING assists, so they were never picked at all. This time around I think they gave the liability of everyone assist being easily stuffed with very few invincible assists. The only one that stands out is Haggar’s assist but even then he pays some life up front.

@ Karsticles: It will require some testing. Ammy also has a counter assist as well. It depends on how fast they activate it once their feet touches the ground. “In theory” those would be the best “GTFO” assists next to pure invincible assists aka Lariat… if it works instantly. In MvC2, invincible assists were the only legit way of getting someone off you when they are rushing you down nasty. You could sometimes get lucky and you would smack the assist as he comes inside, combo’ing both characters to death.

[mr_punk]

I think that’s more of a balance issue.

yes, that was my point. sorry, i didn’t make myself clear.

@ @ mr_punk: I believe for that reason as well, considering some of the assists can be “powered up” but not only that. In MvC2 some assists were simply too good and that alienated a lot of characters for just BEING assists, so they were never picked **at all[/c]. This time around I think they gave the liability of everyone assist being easily stuffed with very few invincible assists. The only one that stands out is Haggar’s assist but even then he pays some life up front.

agreed. in any event, it will interesting to see how integral choosing and playing with assists will be in Mvc3 since it appears they aren’t as good.

[ColdBrand]

That’s pretty stupid, if they’re going to be invincible during the taunt they should just remove it altogether so I don’t have to hear Magneto tell me farewell 1,000,000 times over the course of my life.