welcome. personally i dont play SSB. my lil bros and my lil nephews do though. yes it is a fighter, but personally i dont consider it a fighter. at least not a traditional fighter in the sense of sf, kof, gg and shit like that. i asked my bros about it, they pretty much agree with me. a party fighter with isnt meant to be seen as a serious competitor for true fighters. just cause you can fight each other doesnt make it a fighter that canc compete with the realness.
there is ONE GOOD thing about the game though. people from my generation (the sf2 generation) already played the shit out of fighters. newer people are getting in it cause of SSB, which is a good thing IMO.
anybody remember the “fighter” from the pss1 where you fought in a room nwith 4 people in total. there where these latex reaks in the game, looking like horor moie characters (like pin head). one of the fighter used an arm as a bat. like SSB its a fighter, but not the 2d kind. same for SSB IMO, though SSB is more tradinional though probably.
You don’t need to have experienced a move to analyze it any more than I need to have been to Venus to understand what its sulfuric acid atmosphere would do to me. Yes, it is wrong to want to ban a move without conclusive evidence that it is indeed broken, but if overwhelming evidence exists that the move CANNOT be escaped (not talking Ice Climbers here, just in general), it is possible to deem it ban-worthy without having experienced it, or vice-versa if there isn’t enough evidence.
I’m sure a lot of people who DO play Smash competitively still want the IC infinite banned, and plenty of people who don’t, don’t. I don’t play competitive Smash but the first time I heard of wobbling back in Melee, saw how situational it was and how it had to be fished for, and read impressions from players, I came to the conclusion that it wasn’t broken. Many people on SRK came to the same conclusion despite not playing competitive Smash.
in all honesty id have to ask my lil bros. they always play this kind of shit at my nephews house. they be nintendo freaks since the n64 (i only had a snes (&NES) from N, it was the only N worth owning, and still is IMO). i refuse to play anything from N, childish BS games. still havent even touched my lil nephews wii, id rarther wee on it than touch those chucks and play on that shit. so i never have (since the snes) and never will, touch anything with the capital N on it.
tell that to the millions of kids that actuall think theyre playing a fighter. at least my lil nephews KNOW how to play snk and capcon fighters really well (they should, they got enough ass kicking lessons from me and my lil bros since thr sf2 days). well, at least its got fighting game atributes in the game, you CAN hit each other right?
I tried to get to a “pro” level in smash, but so much about the game started pissing me off. Infinites are one thing. I like Mahvel so I can deal with it, but tripping is the worst shit since the turn-around button in isuka. Ike is slow, so missing an opportunity because the character decided to fall is utterly retarded. Then, messing up in a tournament because of stuff like the Wario-Ware stage is enough to drive a person mad. I’m not really a fan of banning everything, especially since some of the banned items are fun to play with, but yea. I can see how that shit is enough to drive a person to say fuck it…
My only problem from going back to regular fighters after Smash, was the need to jump in all of the time. :shake: I quickly stopped after eating a few dragon punches and flash kicks in Super Turbo.
Ah, so you say that wobbling sounded broken but when reading up on it and hearing opinions from players, you came to the conclusion it wasn’t ban worthy? Sounds like you relied on the opinion of people who experienced it first hand then.
So in fact, you judgement may be sound, but you didn’t rely on theory and paper but how it turned out in practice in a competitive setting.
People like you and a few others can argue semantics about it all you want, it will NEVER change the fact that it’s just a different manner of fighter. By all means, keep ranting about it though, it’s funny.
Aren’t many, if not most fighters good by accident?
Lee:
Concerning Melee’s being “too technical”, again, who does this apply to? How many people who played Melee, or Brawl for that matter, play it to an extent where they would be interested in going to a tournament? Last I checked, Melee was also very easy to pick up. I also don’t see how someone who spent time in Melee with, say, Marth of Falco, wouldn’t be able to do as well as someone with Metaknight in the same amount of time, depending on their skill level. Are there numerous tournament results with MK taking 6 of the top 8 spots or something?
I had heard about the lack of block stun though. That does suck.
re: Brawl = fighter
I see the retards are out in full force. I suspect this thread will be locked soon.
in my opinion, i wouldn’t consider smash a 2D fighter. i play almost every day, along with plenty of SF3, MvC2…it is just nice to be able to include more friends at a time than a traditional 2D fighter. don’t get me wrong. i would much rather play the other mentioned games but i only have one two friends who can play on my level. smash does make it very easy. we did play melee almost every day and stopped the night before brawl came out. it is more technical, for sure.
I was on pretty much the same path as you. Except i switched from Melee around the time that it got into evo.
You’re going to want to play GG. It’s by far the only game that can compete with Melee when it comes to tech. skill.
someone’s butt hurt because he got kicked out of a backroom of a site that is frequented by a bunch of 12 year olds.
that is way too telling.
ssb community only deals with itself, i don’t know why you think srk is the proper outlet for your rant. half the people here don’t even consider smash a fighting game. the other half are spread between caring and flat out apathy. sbw backroom try to be the freemasons of the ssb community, and it doesn’t sound like you belonged there anyways (except for your unconquerable need to ban shit).
i’d say cut your losses and pick up a different game. crying that you got banned by a bunch of preteens isn’t going to get you symphathy from adults.
Believe it or not, the SBR doesn’t actually have any say in the matter of banning or rulesets. The SBR just provides suggestions and it’s up to the TOs to decide what goes on.
This makes it curious as to why LeeHarris has flipped out, because the SBR didn’t say that banning was not allowed. The SBR’s vote was basically that it was too early to ban MK before giving people time to figure out how to deal with the character, but if you wanted to run a MK banned tournament the SBR couldn’t do anything to stop it. In other words, the TOs would be deciding the rule set, based on the demands of their tournament goers.
Fun fact - he rallied and rallied for a MK-banned tournament in Texas, and even got his way and had one hosted, but when the tournament actually happened, HE DIDN’T EVEN SHOW.
Besides, just last weekend, NinjaLink (the best Diddy in the US) took a set from M2k’s Metaknight [M2k is widely considered to be the best in the world at the moment]. That alone tells me that Lee just needs to suck it up and get better, but he would rather complain about the voting process of some backroom that didn’t actually say it wasn’t okay to ban MK at a tournament if you really, really wanted to.
And as for the people he claimed don’t regularly go to tournaments who voted on the matter - it only takes someone with reading comprehension to look at the tournament results over the past few months as evidence, and see that MK has failed to dominate WC, EC, and the Midwest, and that the MK players who DO win aren’t scrubs in any sense of the word.
The pro-ban side argues ideas like “he has no counter”, “he’s not fun to play against”, “MK players don’t have to think”, etc. This is the best they could come up with, so again it doesn’t take a tournament-goer to realize that those aren’t reasons to ban a character this early on.
seriously, because when real men cut thier losses, they stand around crying about how they got done wrong, and then do something else to seemingly spite his former community.
imagine someone gambling and they “cut thier losses.” so they go over to the next table and then scream wildly about how that blackjack dealer was giving him cold hands, and now he’s into poker. sorry blackjack, you’ve just lost another customer.
