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I do not think SF is better. I believe CE, HF and ST are great games, and I love WW cos it created everything and was an absolutely amazing game, until CE arrived. But if you want to pair, say, some KoF, SF4 or any hit-confirm or combo fighter you may want to mention, well, I do not give a shit about any of them. I also do not give a shit about franchises, I worry about games. KoF had a track record of PoS games, and SNK fans had a track record of disliking the good ones (Fatal Fury Special, Samurai Shodown 2). I always hated the yearly versions of KoF that instead of polishing gameplay, had to add some wacky shit to make them “different enough”. I disliked dodging projectiles and pokes in KoF for the same reason I think get-out-of-jail moves in the SF4 series are bad. Now, well, after I went to college/university, some may say SNK finally got something right again the this or that KoF happens to be good. They were too incompetent to get things right when it was time, and I did not bother to try each of the thousands of SF2 clones they have released just to check which sucks and which doesn’t. That’s like some blues band releasing 200 records, and people calling out blues fans for not having bought them all just so they could find the 113rd and 175th ones happened to be good.

I dislike most SNK games for the same reasons I dislike most Capcom games. The SNK fanboys whine about the reasons why SF4 is popular, but those are the same things SNK used to steal players from SF2 back in the day.

Great, yet another anime lover who dislikes my opinions…

WTF are you talking about, Capcom has released many POS anime fighters. Being more of crap games than those of SNK does not really matter, at all. BTW, SNK has comic-style games too, such are the first Fatal Fury ones.

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yea, like i do like blaz blue/melty blood. but holy fuck are the fans full of weirdos. like i remember when i went to ECT2 and there was this one hairy guy who barely shaved ( and he smelled ) and i noticed that the pillow had some anime chick on it so i proceeded to ask him who was the character, and this guy seriously says " she’s my wife " and i was like are you serious? and he was like " yes ". i pretty much just left him alone.

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That is a bit creepy

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If you really want to be fair, pass judgement only on the relevant competitive titles- 2k2um’s latest version, and kof98umfe.
What you just did is like saying “Guilty Gear sucks cuz of GG1 or GGX”.

Maybe that’s why you like a fighting game that has…

Spoiler

2 men wearing thongs, and Oro’s 1 frame exposed penis :wink:

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lol at the joke on pherai!

I see where you are coming from. My point was more like “Why the hell am I to be blamed cos of giving up on SNK competitive scene by the time they released 98 after 4 years of either constant trash or good games getting ignored?” SF2 was good from the start. Fatal Fury and KoF, were not. SamSho1/2 was cool and was largely ignored but by… SF2 players, like, 3 of them. At least that’s the way it was around here.

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oldschool, I don’t think I’ve ever observed someone as militantly hipster as you.

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What does the quality of the games themselves has to do with the treatment from the local community?
As an SRK member you should already be used to people ignoring the good and playing shit instead.

The important part for you as a player is that SNK themselves know what the best KOFs are, and improved them even more. IIRC if you look at the change list of 98FE it really makes sense and shows understanding of what’s happening at the high level of play.
About Samsho don’t expect any redemption there because it has less selling power and the people who made those games good left long ago to other companies.

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this

and a couple more words so its not a one word reply.

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So, conclusions:

my clique of nerds can beat up your clique of nerds.

the guilty gear community’s spokesperson is an anime pillow.

eSports = Starcraft

SNK couldn’t have made a good game! I played a neo geo once in 1997!

oldschool_BR is a militant hipster

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What do you care about that guy though, you like the games don’t you?

You did this with Arcana too, you started running around like a chicken with its head cut off in fear that someone might see you enjoying the game. You know, in public?

I mean I’ve been part of the MvC2, CvS2, GG, MB, 3S, and other communities for a little over a decade and each game had its share of weird ass mother fuckers. I just never gave a damn about them. They were there to play and so was I, and that’s the extent of the relationship. So the guy who comes dressed up as Bridget to a GG tournament is nothing more then another obstacle between me and getting first.

After ten years I still don’t understand the internal conflict this community goes through.

:looney:

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fixed
though iirc it was a melty blood player who did that (from what DD said in a previous post where he told this same story)

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sigh

man are serious?, you seem like an old geezer that refuses change. I was to counter argue your…wall of text 'cause is not even an argument but I think I’ll save some space in this thread instead.

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Well, its like soccer hooligans and other such sports fans. Except we dont have team rivalries so we have to resort to game fandom for our tribalism.

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What other decent fighting game is not overly japanese

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I guess VF is not particularly japanese? Its aesthetic was established before everything in japan went anime.

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Hey, I will say I liked the aesthetic of Melty Blood too. People can call me a weaboo all they want.

I gotta say tho, its Dudleys package that really won me over with 3s

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It’s not an argument, it’s a decent expression of his firmly held and justified opinion. While I don’t agree with it, it deserves respect.

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Hmm, whilst discussing this issue in another forum, a thought came to me.

When you think about the audience for a particular event, consider ratio of players (people watching who personally play the game) versus spectators (people watching who dont play the game.)

I was talking about the $1 mil DOTA2 tournament at gamescom. I dont know much about DOTA and I found the matches to be immensely boring to watch. Someone else said that they quite enjoyed it, because they were players and fans of DOTA and could appreciate what was going on.

If you think about the player:spectator ratio for any esport or videogame, its pretty dominated by players. Pure spectators are fairly rare. (maybe except for korean Starcraft? But that’s a total aberration imo.)

Whereas if you look at the player : spectator ratio for most sports, people who are fans, enjoy spectating, but dont actually play or know that much about the sport outnumber audience members who actually play by a huge margin.

That’s a key sign of the difference between something that’s niche and something that’s mainstream.

I think spectator friendliness is something the video game world (devs, publishers, promoters, and fans) haven’t quite figured out yet. We know roughly what makes a game fun, competitively deep, graphically attractive etc. But we dont really know or care about making games fun, accessible and interesting for outsiders to spectate.

(then again, I wonder if the creators of Basketball or NASCAR had to worry about how to make things spectator friendly? Maybe “real life” has a natural advantage in that area, that games have to work hard to keep up?)

Of course, its valid to argue that we already hate the influx of SF4 casuals, weeaboo anime game fans, etc. It would be even more horrifying to add an even larger group of nongamers into FG fandom. It’s that old purity vs. popularity thing again.
(disclaimer: I am actually a casual and an anime fan, so I use those derogative terms to describe the opinions I find here, rather than my own views :wink: )

So why should we care about popularity, anyways? Unfortunately, like it or not, the competitive gaming experience benefits from larger communities. No matter how much I like Supreme Commander and think its a fundamentally better game (if only it had the profits to properly patch and balance) than Starcraft 2, nevertheless, playing matches with the same 20 or so guys year after year pales in comparison to participating in SC2’s multileague ladder system.

Certain things like ranked ladders, large tournaments, etc simply cant work unless the game is sufficiently popular.
FGs are popular enough for small local tournaments and one-off big ones like EVO, but compare EVO to SBO or even your local amateur basketball leagues, and you’ll see the difference player population makes in terms of what kinds of competitive structures you can organise.

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uh I dunno where you’ve been but sf is already spectator driven

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Sports are never a fair comparison because they (as an American anyway) are shoved down our throat since birth. Our schools promote sports and reward athletes. We are taught to look up to athletes. Going to the games with peers provides a generally fun atmosphere (friends, new people, cheerleaders). Its to a point where everyone has a basic grasp of some aspect of sports, even if they don’t fully understand the game itself. Anything that ingrained in culture will be popular. SF is already heavily spectator driven. I would venture to guess the majority of steam monsters rarely to only casually play themselves, or maybe just tune into streams due something like nostalgia. Look at the number of people who watched the EVO stream, then look at the average tournament turnout. Theres a disconnect somewhere in there. Theres already so much talk of how EVO looks like a convention now, drawing all kinds of spectators and people who aren’t really there to just compete.