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Dont get me wrong I thing C.Vip is a great fun choice but I find it hard to contend with some of the other characters in the game. hopefully with the upgrades she will be a better pick for everyone!

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Which matchups are hard for you ATM?

I mean it’s not like she’s getting any real “upgrades”. I doubt that optic blast is suddenly going to jump her into Vanilla Wesker/Wolverine tier ease of use and dominance.

The thing I have about Viper is that there’s not really a whole lot you can do to her that won’t just either homogonize the shit out of her or just make her completely broken over everyone else on an obvious, easy to take advantage of level. If anything Viper will end up having the Fei Long effect where the nerfs of the original high tiers will just kinda make room for her.

If I was a Viper player I would be twiddling my fingers and waiting for the dominoes to fall so I can reign supreme cuz Capcom has no idea.

That’s practically what I’m doing with my entire team since Dante obviously isn’t nerfed enough, X-23 is definitely a very solid character that could only really use a couple slight buffs that execution tend to make up for any way, and the fact that Doom is getting nothing but buffs also…I’m just sitting and waiting…sitting and waiting.

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People have asked for this and the answer is more or less this:

No, there is no reason to ban Pheonix, to get to the status that she has somehow got now, ie. totally broken and game changing ALL THE TIME, you will need to set it up, a lvl 5 bar, Lvl 3 X factor and all the things you can do with her. Viscant has already said in the Cross Counter DVD that while she is the ideal character, there are still ways to counter her or stop her from going Dark. As far as the community is concerned, she is a legitimate character that can be beaten if you know how. Besides we don’t see pheonix players winning ALL the MvC3 Tournaments now do we?

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I dunno. when I saw Evo I thought that Viscant got away with using Haggar freely. I figured a good way to stand a chance would be to snap HAGGAR in. this way even if you fail to take him out, he’d lose a crap load of health and you can’t call him up as much. He already has terrible matchups against a majority of the cast and doing this would force more careful play on Wesker’s part.

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Why would you ban a random mid tier character? That seems, bizarre, to say the least.

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No lie, I wondered how some of the matches would’ve went if the players had chosen to snap in Viscant’s Haggar. Haggar was really stopping a lot of the players.

I respect Viscant as a player, but the only reason I didn’t want him to make it to Grand Finals was because Phoenix teams don’t seem hype to me.

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honestly I have a hard time getting in for combos maybe its her reach, its not her fault but when I go against wolvie/dante type characters I usually get blown up. maybe its my play style but I have such a hard time getting in to do real damage. I think she is awesome she has all the mix ups that you need. all her moves are cool and she is flashy but I usually get destroyed fast with her :frowning:

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That’'s pretty much what I was trying to say with my badly worded post lol, I do respect Viscant but as mentioned without his team he probably wouldn’t do as good while Jwong just picks Storm or Felicia outta nowhere and can win. But w/e we’ll see when UMVC3 comes out, I hope there won’t be any char as crazy as Phoenix but Im pretty sure there will at least be another Wolverine derp level type but that’s fine, every game has that.

Oh and yea Viper…Such a beast, didn’t get nerfed too. Not many players have really tried to mess with her, or have but have not bothered taking her very far. I do feel Marlinpie is showing the world what’s possible. I’ve seen some vids too that were abusing her cancels and you could create some whole notha other ish too.

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Ummmm… Felicia is actually EXTREMELY underrated. A powerful character that takes execution thus Wesker/Logan do it better than her.

But off topic.

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You can make the best burgers on the east coast, but if I have to drive more than an hour to eat those burgers I’m going to Mcdonalds instead.

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That’s fine, just don’t complain when people don’t respect your taste in food.

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(I’m going to have hijack this thread a bit, but I figure I might as well comment on actual topic a bit first as not to be as rude.)

Fivec, I’m sorry to say, but most of this is going to fall on deaf ears because the people you’re addressing are either trolls or idiots–not those are mutually exclusive–and neither of those groups is exactly known for seeing the errors of their ways. Best to ignore them like everyone else in most instances.

Now, on to what I’m actually here about.

Wait. What? They nerfed Combination Punch :h:? When was this confirmed?

Why the hell… His Level 3 is already the worst/most inconsistent Level 3 in the game and they make it more difficult to combo into? Uh…okay.

I guess they were afraid of him being able to kill like more than dozen people who know have less than 920,000k, but considering he needed to spend three meters for that and it usually just fails unless you mash the button like crazy to fire, I’m not seeing why the change was necessary unless they made it more consistent. Maybe they were afraid of magnum’s speed increase and/or his gun normals being special cancelable were too much, especially if they let him cancel c.h straight into magnum now without an assist.

Then again, this operates under the assumption that Capcom knows what they’re doing with the changes they’re handing out.

looks at Dr. Doom

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I think there are a number of characters like this. I would pause before putting Viper in the same boat as Felicia, because I think Viper is straight up hands down better, but what about Trish? She’s a good example of a character who can pretty much do everything right but just not as good as Magneto or Wolverine and hence, sees no action. From the early sounds of it though, Viper and Trish might just wind up being the big salt makers in Ultimate, so we’ll have to see.

It does totally suck, but I really would hesistate to call his level 3 the most useless in the game. It’s much more difficult to use than Mag’s or Dante’s but it also hits multiple characters which is such an invaluable tool in his arsenal. Get a happy birthday? Two dead characters, easily.

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Says the Zero player. *Jab, jab, jab, Bring it!"

Hey if I like Mcdonalds who cares if they don’t. Lets see $1.00 burger and almost no gas overhead. Or $10.00 burger + who knows how much gas. I’ll also get home in time to take care of more important things than eat burgers. Do you think the reality TV stars care that they aren’t doing Shakespeare? Or better yet, would Noel Brown trade in his success in tournaments for the respect of say LLND?

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I wonder if try to discredit Tom Brady with this type of “logic”.

“I respect Tom Brady but if he wasn’t on the Patriots, he wouldn’t do so good”

Duh.

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You’re bringing that argument to the wrong guy - been down this road before. I could care less if they play to win. Good for them. If someone plays with the mindset of doing whatever it takes to win - bravo. As I said before, I do respect that.

If you’re playing to win and that’s it, why do you care what I think? Why get into it over and over and over again because people either criticize you, don’t show you the same respect of others, etc. Play to win and ignore what anyone says. The more you complain, the more you make me feel like it’s not just about winning. It makes me think winning is the means to an end. That somehow winning is gonna make you an FGC rockstar or something and you’re upset that it’s not happening.

Most people aren’t going to let you have it both ways. If you choose to play to win at all costs, then there’s baggage that comes with that. It has a cost. Many people aren’t going to think of you on Justin’s level. Ever. That’s just what it is. Calling people scrubs, whiners, etc isn’t going to change that.

If I were Noel Brown, I’d say whatever and continue to collect fight money. Until I hear him complain that he doesn’t get the same recognition as others I have no beef with him at all. Same goes for Viscant.

For the record, this thread was started due to Phoenix, who I’ve really never had a problem with. We have snapback for a reason.

As for Zero, if he was anywhere near as OP or broken as people say, he’d be played a lot more than he is - especially by people who play to win at all costs.

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It’d be more like…

I respect Tom Brady, but he hasn’t won anything since SpyGate.

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(Yeah, Trish is another character who was already good and didn’t need buffs, much less that many buffs.)

Considering the game’s barely been out eight months at this point, of course there are going to be quite a few characters who underrated at the moment. Whether that means they’re massively underrated (Zero [for some reason], Viper, M.O.D.OK., etc.) or not as underrated but still quite capable of messing you up if you underestimate them (Felicia, Hulk, Viewtful Joe, etc.) is what’s really up for debate.

I really don’t want to get into a lengthy back and forth about what the worst–this is different from calling it (most) useless–in the game is, but the fact that you have to point out that it’s ability to “happy birthday” two characters at the same time is its saving grace says something. That’s horribly situational, especially with Chris’s mobility (or lack thereof). Besides, it’s not like Chris can’t utterly destroy assist’s health in seconds as it is even if the main character is blocking between incendiary grenades, landmines, magnum and the flamethrower (especially if they won’t push block you for whatever reason) anyway, so that’s even less going in its favor; that Chris should be a battery since his supers are pretty sub-par doesn’t exactly help either.

If they made it faster (which I doubt they did) to compensate for it not being able to combo after Hard Combination Punch, then that would got a long way towards improving it since it right now it’s way too easy to screw up the initial staring position of the target reticle outside of the corner since you have to mash on the fire button to get the damn thing to connect in the first place; I kinda want to Bionic Arm whoever decided that pushing a firing button different from the one your holding makes it default to appearing over Chris. It doesn’t really matter much that he’s invulnerable when he fires it if still gets murdered (and wastes three bars) whenever he misses and right now it’s too damn slow to punish most things unless you are freakishly psychic & even then it’s too slow against some hypers. It also hurts that it’s a projectile Level 3, so like Zero, it’s really damn easy to bait out or X-Factor against even if you actually screwed up if you’re far away; however, unlike Zero, Chris’s Level 3 is always far away since it comes from directly above wherever you’re firing, so it can’t instantly form on people like Zero’s Level 3 can. [/rant]

(Why the hell does Firefox not know what a “reticle” is? It’s not like it’s the word “crescive” or anything.)

So, yeah, I’m rather hard-pressed to think of/find another Level 3 that’s worst than his, which is Capcom making it even more situational is just another head-scratcher. Oh well. Chris got buffed massively overall and it’s not even the thing I’m most vexed about; it’s just this is the first that I’ve heard of it.

Gah! I can’t control it!

keels over while grasping head

DARK GRAMMAR NAZI RISES!

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Zero isn’t played as often because the perceived top tier is easier and the game is really young. (When I was new to riding a bike I couldn’t ride it with no hands, now feet are optional) I’ll return to my hamburger analogy. McD’s with over a billion served! And you won’t hear me complaining about recognition. I’d probably get bodied by most of the forum; despite the fact that I think I have a good MODOK. When you don’t have many MODOKs to compare to however, it’s easy to have illusions of competency lol