Off topic:
You should include Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram on your list. Very original/unique and deep as well. With sticks it is also arcade perfect (though you will almost never find a cabinet in the states). This game alone is reason enough to still own a Dreamcast.
Argue? I thought you were pretty much agreeing with me on that one 0_o. oh. $200. Yeah I never say $99, $199, $19.99, etc. it’s pointless. just round up a dollar at that price, damn. Besides, haven’t you ever heard of sales tax?
Edit: what I meant by the $199 a year later was a bit of an exaggeration on how long it was before the price dropped. What I meant was that it took waay too long for that to happen as far as concoles go.
what wasn’t acceptable about dc fighting games?
the japanese version of cvsnk2 is a lot more fast-paced than the us counterpart:
shin akuma in the japanese version=rape.
and (imo) the graphics on the DC version of the vs series and sf III seem cleaner than their (then) next-gen counterparts.
You cant play fighters with the worst control pad ever invented. Sega should’ve kept the saturn pad.
Would imagine most people would use a stick. I’m a bitch ass and use one of these
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6183/2dcasciitopbn8.th.jpg
Stock pad is horrid for fighters though
PS2 ended up raping the cast in terms of fighters… ohhh to the crackheads that MvC2 wasn’t good or the Garou / LB ports sucked… other than that, the ports the PS2 received in general were much higher in quality than the Dreamcast versions, except MAYBE with Capcom SNK 2…
after dc frizzled the ps2 became the best place for fighters. at least in japan.
Man, if I could afford the system, a vmu, Powerstone and Soul Calibur at launch by pre-paying a little every week (I was making 6.35 an hour and paying Software ETC 25-$30 every Saturday) until the release date so I could just waltz in, show my ticket, and get my shit, ANYbody could. Excuses. you guys have all this money to buy weed, multiple versions of sorry-ass V-ism 3, talk shit about people shopping at Wal-mart cuz that’s “where mexicans shop so it’s too poor for me” like you’re all burgois 90210 brats and shit, but you bitch about something that costs less than your fuckin’ car stereo system. If somebody making a little over mimum wage, helping with the house utility bills, AND buying his own food can afford a dreamcast AND 2 games on launch day, then that shit wasn’t too expensive.
And dude: that’s what you get for waiting. You missed some fun shit, especially the online battles in Quake 3 (fuckin’ hacking pc users ruined that after a month…“You’re hacking, you figgots…WREEEEE!”) and Unreal Tournament. Good shit.
Seriously, DC was like the cheapest shit ever. I was working at burger king and in highschool at the time and I could afford it. Got like all the same shit Rhio got all while working at freaking BK.
It did badly because fighting game popularity was declining (2d fighting at least), not to mention it’s hard to support a system on one genre. Unless that system is Xbox, and that genre is first-person-shooter, in which case you can brainwash half of America’s youth.
i bought it shortly after launch when i was 14, with soul calibur, power stone, marvel vs capcom 1, and sonic, and three extra pads, 4 jump packs, and 1 vmu for $500…
lol why would anyone buy a console based on fighting games alone? its irrelevant.
Where did that all come from? 
I come from a very low income family, so I can honestly say that the “bourgeois” shit is a little off dead-center, and how often do people buy decks that are over $200? Oh. And I was 9 when it launched. XD. I played Unreal Tournament online a lot, though 
Btw, not all the people on here smoke weed. That shit’s nasty gag
PS2 was what, $300 at launch? PS3 and X360 are $4-500? PS2 has been out for like FIVE YEARS and it’s still $120?
$200 at launch isn’t really bad at all.
And PS2 became the console for fighting games long after the DC was dead, essentially by default.
I kinda feel that the dreamcast was too ambitious and didn’t get the proper advertising support. If you look at the graphics on par with many of the Dreamcast’s better games (i.e. Shenmue, Soul Calibur, DOA2, etc), you realize that the early PS2 graphics weren’t even that good in comparison, yet the rep that Sony had and the advertising that they used (dear god, did they flood the networks) drowned out Sega’s efforts. Online console matches in Quake and 3s? :wonder: That was ahead of it’s time
raises hand
because I play fighting games, RTS, and RPGs…
RTS are infinitely better on PC… RPGs are typically available on PC. Fighting games are like RTS… They’re much better on console… So yes, I buy consoles based on fighters… DC i had only fighters and shmups, and I think I had virtua tennis. On PS2, other than DDR and God of War, I have only fighting games.
Your logic fails. If 199 is too expensive then 299 is too expensive by default. Also, the game library issue is faulty logic as well. All systems have very few games available at launch. In a year, when PS2 launched, the DC had more games AND was cheaper.
Dreamcast had hella advertisement and support. 9/9/99 was a brilliant lauch tool. “it’s thinking” is stuck in the head of anyone over 10 FOR LIFE now.
An unfair comparison and always the case. you can’t compare launch PS2 games with established DC titles and claim one is superior.
The dreamcast failed because of people like you who pirated the shit out of the games. Unlike all other systems, it was the first one where you could simply burn the game and go. No mod chips or swap necessary.
the fucking truth, except that… when bootlegs first arrived, you needed the utopia disc… then the self-booting games came out… which ended everything…
I also have this qualm about Sega in general as to their choice of release. The Saturn was released a year before the PSX, but in the prime of the SNES and Genesis, and right after three other systems were either scrapped or failed (Jaguar, 3DO, and Pippin). Nobody wanted it… I saw a commercial for Sega Rally, but that was where it ended.
They did the same shit with DC… They released it when FFIX was released, likewise a ton of great PSX RPGs, and at the height of the N64 lifespan. They released their systems at the peaks of others, so most people at 9/9/99 who didn’t buy a Cast, bought some game for another system that had a long lifespan, such as FF9, and had no reason to by a DC until it was long over…
Square and EA not making games didn’t help either. Madden destroyed NFL 2K.
Thank you. I’m not talking to a brick wall afterall. DC was the cheapest new console in a while. Only other thing that launched for that cheap recently was GC if you wanna call that recently. Even Wii’s at $250 at launch.
also, didn’t the previous generation of consoles (PSX, Saturn, N64), launch around $300?
