None of that makes it not a FIGHTING game
Both of those are fighting games…
Both are non traditional fighting games…
Eskills
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Not to mention Hero has an instant death spell and access to item effects through Hocus Pocus.
Can smash be competitive? Hell yeah. Still a fucking party game.
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See?
I bet you can now label Spy vs Spy as a fighting game too because of having that and this.
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Eskills
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When random shit can decide who wins or loses beyond your control it’s no longer a fighting game.
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It’s kind of funny that games like Nidhogg and Lethal League could be considered more of a fighting game (at least based off this conversation) than Smash Bros. LOL
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Man I fucking loved that Spy vs. Spy game as a kid. Should have stuck with it, I would have been a shoe in for SvS eLeague.
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I call smash… smash lol. One thing I will say about smash is that it has a lot of what a fighting game has. You got normals and specials. You got the basic throw, strike, guard concept. Knockdown, oki, and invincible wakeups. Spacing is super important, etc…
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Lethal League is a 4 player party game. Don’t know what the other is.
Don’t play street fighter 2 then, you’ll be in for a rude surprise
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Pertho
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Destrega was definitely a fighting game. Same with Psychic Force too. Problem is that for the overwhelming majority of the time the FGC was focused on the arcade side of things played a certain way. When you examine the core of what makes an FG, a game made explicitly with 1v1 combat, then you realize that the mantle of FGs is really wide.
Virtual On is a fighting game.
Fight Night is a fighting game.
Bushido Blade is a fighting game.
We’ve gone way beyond camera angles necessarily being the main thing for fighting games. But the one thing that holds the core of those games is that they’re designed to be played this way. The entirety of FG strategy, literally any piece of strategy you’ve ever read, has at its core the conjecture that you are playing against one opponent. Once you had a third one in 2v1 or 1v1v1, all of the FG theory and strategy that goes into analyzing opponents, playing matches and approaching things goes out the window.
I love me some Nidhogg. Nidhogg 1 is fucking amazing. if I could run sets on that all day I legit would. Haven’t played Lethal League yet though. But whats neat about those games is that they are taking sports concepts and adding some FG mentality to it. Think once the goal is to do something other than hit the opponent until they run out of life, you start moving towards sporty games because the strats start differentiating.
Definitely something up for discussion more than Smash’s bullshit.
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Eskills
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Oh that game!
Well Nidhogg doesn’t have random shit killing you. I can call that a fighting game I guess.
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Take note were not saying Smash isnt a competitive game and cant be a 1v1 game. Were just saying that it’s not a fighter.
It’s one of my favorite too.
I take this one from your list and one of those I considered a fighting game in my books.
I so wish there was a way to play Nidhogg online rather than using Parsec. I was playing it last night at my locals and I had so much fun trying out new ways to approach the opponent. Best steam gift I have ever received.
Too bad Nidhogg 2 kind of sucks ass lol
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It’s not nearly as much of a party game as it seems to be. The direction the ball can be hit, the bunting, use of meter, supers and character matchups are pretty interesting. Not really a fighting game on paper, but has some very interesting concepts that could lend itself to being taken somewhat seriously in a competitive context.
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No doubt it can be competitive. Four player free for all negates it being a fighter imo.
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Yet custom rulesets exist to eliminate variability and make it more competitively sound, similar to how the Smash community have basically forced a competitive scene into a game that Sakurai didn’t even want to be anything more than a “party game.”
Although, it still doesn’t explain that weird 300% sudden death thing in Smash games.
Now I’m trying to map out if wrestling games are fighting games…
Like muscle grand prix 2 totally is. But fire pro… isn’t?
Also, played Muscle Grand Prix 2 on a cab in Reno. That shit is fire
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Wrestling games are fighting games, but a much lower sub genre of it.
It would be
Sports>wrestling>fighting.
If someone said they played fighting games and named off a bunch boxing games and wrestling games they wouldn’t be wrong it’s just not what I default to think of when I think fighting games
