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Actually he switched to Ryu because I went to character select and asked him to play ryu. I did not want to fight his ken and sneak any more easy wins. You may talk about “broken game” which is completely irrelevant. you were boasting about how you played vs Ryan Heart. While thats nice and all, I’d like to see some evidence. Also while you seem to be a very competent player. You often speak of giant win streaks in the arcade and winning over notable players. I have yet to see proof of that.

If your really this top player you claim to be attend this event

http://www.neoempire.com/?p=9992

It’s in your city (london) so it isn’t even a big trip for you.

I’ll disregard all your other questions or remarks. Simply attend that event and place at least top 8 and prove YOUR point.

Oh abnd as for RedCaliburn. My girl got as good as she did because of all the shit she was able to read from here and all the support she has had from our local scene. Countless times people have sat down with her and went over match ups and showed her over and over why she was losing. She gained bad habits from only playing online like (random neck breakers). She would try tactics that worked online that simply did not work online and she played against people over seas and had a hard time adjusting to offline game play…

oh and for your last remark. I record any match i play vs a top player, win lose or draw so that when I post the match up later I can get feed back from people Like I did when i posted my losses last year in HDR vs Justin Wong.

Seriously if I really had an ego like your implying, would I ever upload this?

[media=youtube]XZOSe52FhBU[/media]

or this

[media=youtube]mj7VhjRiAYA[/media]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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I would but I can’t. The same place, I’ve got charity work to do there.

I attend WSO when I can, which is Tuesday evenings. I’ll be going to the 3v3 next week. BTW you may take it as boasting, but unlike you I don’t play just to show what sick combos I’ve done or matches I’ve “stolen” of people. The only motivation for me playing is to post new information here and help motivate other Ibuki players.

Why is it that you don’t have to prove yourself to me, but I have to? If you look at the posts I’ve made about when I played him, the purpose was to show inspire other people that my execution is fine offline too. I use his name here without his permission, just to say prove that my information I’m posting here actually works.

All of your matches with top players yeah, they’re on YOUR YouTube channel, which means you’ve uploaded these yourself. As you can see, I don’t have my own channel. If you weren’t uploading your own matches, putting the work into having your mate hold a camera (which takes the piss by the way), you’d have no “proof” either.

Besides even if I did, what would that mean? It could just be a “lucky” win or something, or during a casual match. This is completely going away from the point of this debate, which is about online/offline play.

I offered to show you personally what I mean, and to give you the chance, to take this away from the Ibuki forums because you’re not even making any new points now, you’re just repeating yourself. When did I claim to be a Top player? I don’t think anyone on these Ibuki forums is, none of us have the time.

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If I showed you a picture of a 50-winstreak, you’d say: “oh well, how would I know that any of them were good players?”. I can’t prove anything to you through pictures or isolated matches. I know why you’re bringing this up, I’m not an idiot.

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How does this require her to play offline exactly? What worked for one person, sure, but if you uploaded any match onto these forums we’d all tell you about not doing random neckbeakers. What exactly makes random neckbreakers work online exactly? The lag would have to be abnormally horrible for that to happen. I don’t think I’ve ever seen her do random neckbreakers, which means it’s just due to pressure.

90% of my Street Fighter play as only been against her. We both started playing Ibuki at the exact same time. The difference in skill level is larger than it has ever been ever since she’s been playing less, and the biggest difference? I played Ranked Matches against good players. God forbid if I had YOUR advice on what to do with Ibuki.

You know what? Fair enough. Time will tell anyway.

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Lmfao, my camera takes the piss? Whatever that means. But hey I do have matches on other peoples youtubes as well…

[media=youtube]3P1MxPojdxY[/media]
[media=youtube]x7SUdFe3KiY[/media]
[media=youtube]K1uL12olpIs[/media]

I upload videos of matches I play because I’d like to get better. I feel that uploading them and showing it to people who are better at the said match up are more than able to help me. Your accusations are false but you are free to believe what you want. Also implying that I “stole” a win. I mean really. Are you that small minded? Do you really think I’d just bring a cam corder so I could get a lucky win on someone and then post it up like I’m sort of pro player? Give me a break, if anythign I am more than humble about my skill in any game, i have yet to win a tournament outside of xvsf (which you think that because it’s “broken” it has no merit). How can I possibly pretend to be a top player if I am clearly not? You on the other hand boast about all these marvelous win streaks you have and and how dope you are.

Whena tournament is in your back yard you conveniently can not attend it. I call bullshit sir. Anyhow I’m done with the argument as this whol conversation has drastically went off topic and we obviously dislike one another for an entirely different reason.But gotta jet, need to meet my girl =p

She plays less and less because she is now a full time student… You would know this… if you kenw her in real life, which you don’t and wont lol.

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YOU used term “stealing wins”, idiot.

I was respectful in my debate, and then all of a sudden you posted a thousand and one videos of yourself playing badly. Just get out of these forums if you don’t have anything useful to say.

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QFT Sensi

2207

give up. time proves everything

2208

And this is why we love you Izuna…

I hopped around lots of different characters trying to find one i liked and i narrowed it down to about 3 or 4…

The reason i chose ibuki is because this forum is actually active and has people that care and are willing to post helpful information. Izuna isn’t the only one (mingo, sushi etc) but boy does he contribute ALOT.

You’ve come in here Shiro and turned it into a pissing contest which 95% of the people that frequent these forums (both ibuki players and non-ibuki players) don’t care for anymore. I think you have both made very vaild points and stated your reasons objectively. The quality then went down hill.

I’m not going to tell you to gtfo or anything like that. I welcome this kind of debate as it inspires me to get better so I can actually offer something myself.

All I am asking is that for the sake of keeping these forums civil and actually helpful and informative, keep the posts objective and to the point - and settle any grudges where they should be settled - In game!

P.S… doesn’t hurt to record it :stuck_out_tongue: haha kidding… Anyway, that’s my 2 cents, feel free to tell me to say “stfu scrub”, my feelings won’t get hurt :slight_smile:

Latas

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I rarely play offline at all, all I do is play online. I do just fine in tournaments.

One of my best friends Job (Flocker) does nothing but play offline and he’s won a Major. You guys really underestimate online play.

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To be honest we both dislike each other allot. I do apologize for my side of things and I agree, I let my own temper get the better of me.

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Floker is a great example of a online player achieving tournament wins and there are other examples. I guess my only real point was that playing online can only really get you half of what you actually need to become a really good player. Also, adjusting to online play is absolutely not “getting to the next level”. Winning a tournament with creditable players IMO is.

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I never once said I disliked you. We both know there’s a another reason not shown on here, but I was completely looking past that just so I could have a respect debate. I’m not the person to have things like that stop me from learning things from people. Yeah I forgive too easily (which is why the problem started in the first place dude, you’ll understand that eventually).

Just to summerize this debate, I agree since: 1. you need to learn how to deal with pressure, and 2. if you don’t join tournaments you can’t exactly win them. haha

Oh whatever. =(

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I understand what you’re saying… I can also see the flip side though. Where i am in Australia, we don’t have arcades and tournaments to go to except maybe unless you’re in Sydney or Melbourne, and even then i doubt they are few and far between. So the bulk of Aussie players are all online. And basically from what you’re saying, online players will never be as good as offline players that compete at tournaments which is where alot of online players take offense.

I understand that there is a ton of pressure playing at a tournament, but does that make you a better player? Or simply that you can control your nerves better? Why must adding a bunch of external distractions and pressure be an indication of how good you are? One would then imply that by playing at home, without the distractions, you are in an equal frame of mind as the player AT the tournament who has mastered these emotions. And remember they’re just that - Emotions. They dont MAKE you better, if anything they make you worse.

I really don’t see why there is an argument tbh. I would think everyone should be able to agree that you can’t consider yourself the best or at the “next level” until you have beaten the people in tournaments and can beat the people online. As i refer back to my original example that Aussies nearly exclusively play online, what’s to say one of these couch warriors couldn’t beat the likes of daigo when put against each other under their preferred ideal circumstances and all that is being compared or “tested” is each ones knowledge and skill at the game.

You both make valid points, and perhaps it’s just best to agree to disagree. I can see the best of both worlds but then my experience in this is minimal and hasnt seen bias to one form of play or another

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A question for when I get back Evil_Scrag, does AUS have a good connection with East Asia online?

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I’m just shocked of how Shiro considers online. Looks like he’s playing with a red connection every day.

PLaying online with a green connection (and please thank Capcom people who are for now the only developers able to give us a good netcode to play with fighting games) doesn’t show any lag. I’m French, and I always play Frenchies (or surrounding, ie UK, Spain, Italy, Netherlands & Germany). Whenever an american guy is trying to play me, I just kindly reject his proposal because I don’t want to play with lag.
I’m in Paris, Izuna is in London, we can play together with a consistent, not laggy (except last time when I think Izuna had µTorrent opened downloading tons of things ^^) connection, enabling us to pull out regular 1f links. Is it still laggy?

I don’t really see a lot of difference when playing a French online, or offline. With an optimized connection you can get a fully fluid connection to play with. Doesn’t look like you’ve experienced it.
BUT, I understand US people telling me that online isn’t that nice. I think that the game should sort people according to their city and not country, cause I guess that being in New York and playing against a guy from LA must be difficult. We in Europe are a bit luckier to have smaller countries ie. better connections :slight_smile:

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I would assume so, though i have never really tested it… Should be alot better than London though~

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So… the only benefit of online is that you’re exposed to a variety of matchups and playstyles?

If that’s the case, I challenge anybody here that thinks online is worth your time to play my autopilot Adon, where all I do is spam jaguar kicks and jumps, and other lag-abusing gimmicks.

Also you can’t really use Asian internets in your debate as they aren’t really indicative of what online play is truly like for us in the U.S. or Europe.

  1. Asia is way ahead of the rest of the world in their internets infrastructure
  2. your opponent is most likely living down the street, whereas in U.S. your opponent might be thousands of miles away, or maybe even overseas (U.K., past that and it’s basically unplayable)

Btw, I don’t think anybody here could give a shit if you’ve beaten Daigo once or played XvSF. But if your name is Izuna and you make bold claims of defeating Ryan Hart, then maybe you should back it up or stfu. Unless Ryan Hart is a fraud or something.

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This here is an extremely important detail that has to be considered. The little US flag certainly doesn’t help much. Imho, Capcom should have implemented further dissection like West Coast, East coast, whatever.

Online play’s usefulness is based solely on the huge factor of the location you live in. Which is why Japan excels so much in fighting games; awesome internet (general experience, practice, exposure to new things) AND a shitload of arcades (atmosphere, pressure, different playing conditions, on-the-fly mentoring and demonstrations); breeding grounds for tournament superheroes, lol. Neither Europe nor US has both to such extent.

Saying that, even I believe that you can’t have one without the other. If you’re destined for online only, there is no motivation beyond a certain point. There are no real rivals to compete with, no prices or achievements to strive for. It’s just fun. And in time, irritation.
Also, being offline-only makes your overall experience severely lacking and your knowledge of certain play styles limited. It can be done, but all the traveling associated with it? Ugh. You’d become the true “world warrior” though, lol. Just like Daigo.

Fighting players with bad habits is a bitch, but not everyone is like that. Still, it is a huge letdown of online play, I agree with that.

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@Larthy:

Totally agree.
Playing only online will get you bored at a certain point. You’d need to have real rivals, people you want to beat, people willing to help you, people you can meet on a regular basis and show them what you just learned.
One stupid thing online is that usually, when you fight a better player, he’ll not play with you again. In ranked mode, he doesn’t want to loose some time to earn 1 BP, and in infinite he’d just kick you so he can play against people at his level.

This is what made me stop the game at a certain point. Then, out of a terrific random luck, I met Saunic (France’s best Ibuki) when I moved in Paris, and Mackfellah, another very good Ibuki player. They taught me so much, they gave me the motivation to play, continuously inviting me to local tournaments or just casual sessions. This happened last June. First time I met them, Saunic raped me, and Mackfellah as well. Now I’m at the same level than the second guy, and I can beat Saunic sometimes (but still, he’s way over me of course). Without meeting them, I’d never have reached this level!

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It’s lovely in Birmingham btw, found out I can still play the Piano after so long. Honda-style.

Okay sure, I’ll go out my way to play on stream etc. I’ve only beaten him like, hardly any. He’s a massively better player than I am. I never thought this was a bold claim 'cause to be honest, we are all Ibuki players. Most of the people in this thread can “steal” a game or two eventually.

haha I was waiting for this to be brought up. Not the uTorrent thing though… I don’t think I have that on my dev PC, just Steam downloading updates all day.

The thing I wanted to be brought up was consistency of 1-frame links online. In my opinion, there are two sorts of lag you should consider:

  1. Input lag
  2. Skipping

Having a consistent ping gives you a consistent level of lag. Even when playing Evil_Scrag, who connects to me with nearly 350ms ping, I can still pull off BnBs and for the most part, 1-frame links (such as cr.Short). The thing here is that combos are mostly muscle memory (though there are many exceptions). What we couldn’t do is hit-confirm, or react to certain normals or specials.

When you consistent ping, the moment you press the first button, the rest follow on. You can create a macro and it will do all of your links for you, because all the game is doing is delaying the inputs.

However when you have skipping, that’s when you get bad habits. This usually happens when someone has left uTorrent on or something, or is downloading interesting educational videos. This botches the whole game up because not only can you not hit-confirm, you can even guarantee the game will accept your inputs. You get eaten inputs, and frame-data changes. This is why playing as Makoto online sucks, or why it’s near impossible to do stuff like EX Kazegiri FADC st.Roundhouse online.

I can very much relate to this with two different viewpoints. One of my students, as it were, was FoRE GoD VII. Eventually after asking people about how to teach him how to be a better player, my brother told me to motivate him by making him want to beat me. Now obviously there are SOME people who can’t handle smack talk, but I did so much to him I’d say he’d do pretty well at just about any local scene now.

The other point of view I can relate to this point with is me looking up to my brother in Virtua Fighter. When I was younger I used to lose every. single. game. for months and months. Winning a round was a huge achievement. If it wasn’t for my big brother being like that, I probably wouldn’t enjoy competition as much as I do now. So yeah, offline it matters a lot too.

Finally I can talk about MingoDynasty here. I’m sure he remembers what happened when we first played over PSN. I don’t think I’ve ever beaten anyone as badly as he beat me, and up until a couple of months ago, all I wanted to do was to beat the crap out of him (and also upload a video of it happening). When I was finally able to win a set, I realised that he gave me the biggest gift a rival could give, the opportunity to continuously show how well I’ve improved. And this was over the internet, not even on Skype or anything, just messages on this board. I didn’t upload those matches though, because it means nothing since it’s an isolated event.

In my opinion it really doesn’t matter, whether it’s online or offline. It matters personally though. It’s up to you to decide if you want to take online seriously or not. If you don’t, you better have good enough competition local. This also overlaps with why you play or want to improve too. Do you just want to improve, or do you just love being in the community?

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Oh I nearly forgot. If you want to do links consistently online, just turn the sounds off. You should get used to this anyway since at the Arcades/Tournaments it is LOUD. Having F-Word praise my execution but laugh at every stupid mistake I made whilst playing on stream made me want to entertain rather than play to win.

P.S. Allow perfectionism when it comes to grammar mistakes, you guys know what I mean anyway.