Tournaments are there to compete. Unless there is a predetermined way you are seeding that is concrete and can be verified to account for no bias, then there is no reason for you to do any type of seeding. Randomly seeding something isn?t even a big deal. Here, have two ways to do with online tools: Dungeons & Dragons Dice Roller , Online Die Roller . If you have a pair of dice, you can seed tournament randomly. This ensures impartiality in competitions. Everybody goes into the tournament knowing that they have the same chance of playing any opponent as any other. If you want to have an open tournament but then turn around and purposely separate popular players from each other. If you want to run your tournament in this way and not have any kind of qualifiers, from a competitive stand point is a shitty idea. The fact that more players don?t feel insulted at this stuff says more about the actual competitive attitude than anything else.
This is a cultural issue. All that this reflects is the damn shitty times fighting game players had in fighting other people to play with. On the other hand, now that things are getting bigger and there are more players coming in, its time that this gets addressed for what it is and the tournaments grow up. You and your friends are there to do one job and one job only: Win. If you are not there to win regardless of who you have to play, you are a scrub. Random seeding removes any conversation about fair, or right, or any other adjective you?d like to give the tournament because it?ll be nobody?s decision who you get to play. You are there to win. Seriously, if you don?t think you can beat Justin Wong on round 1, what the fuck is it that you plan on doing if you meeting him later in the brackets? If all goes well for you and your friends, you?ll meet in the finals. Unless, of course, you don?t want your friends to do well and make it that far.
Save both of yourselves a lot of trouble and understand that singles tournaments are SINGLES tournaments. The community is getting to a point where it can start doing this as opposed to seeding the brackets so people could also enjoy the tournament to fulfill the lack of playtime they get
If Lakers played the Heat round one, it would be the HYPEST thing you?d ever see in your life. Unfortunately basketball works different because it divides itself in 2 conferences and then has teams face each other off in terms of ranking. They have a built in way of determining how those things get seeded; unless you are having qualifiers leading up to your tournament, all you are doing is giving the named players more credence over the rest of them.
If you have detailed documented history of performance, then that means the top 16 (number depending on participants) gets plugged into your calculations as to how to seed. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn?t. The great thing about this is that now with all the streams, do you start taking into account weekly streamed events? How much value do you give those? Things are change for the better but the way of seeding things is still reflective of how small the scene used to be.
This is retarded reasoning. If I want to encourage a player, I?d have him play people of the same caliber as him so he can learn the game. The worst thing you can do to somebody learning a game is have him get shit canned. But unfortunately the way you are choosing to seed, all you do is increase the odds of that shit canning.
Let?s take the game of Go as an example. People of the same rank play each other at tournaments, other tournaments as long as you are a pro player, you can enter and it?s a free for all among the different rankings. All amateur tournaments are randomized for the competitors. These have a clear distinction between amateur and pro. Even more importantly they understand that somebody who has a shitload of experience should not be playing somebody that is brand new; shit they even have a proper way of handicapping players to help in uneven situations during regular games.
If you would like to create a dichotomy between people on streams and the rest of the player base, feel free to do so. But please understand that what you actually do need to do with the way you seed is create different tournaments: one for ?pros? and another one for ?amateurs.?
See the information above to see why you should be doing things differently.
If you randomized the pools properly, there is no reason why you would have to worry about it. But in general I agree with this statement. Taking all the winners of the winners bracket and of the losers, randomizing it and having them play each other works just as well. Although if you are already at the top players, it?s kinda dumb to regionalize things a second time; at one point or another these players need to understand that they will eventually have to play each other.
Agreed.
Because YGO as a game sucks an amazing amount of balls; it?s the SF4 of card games. :arazz:
Why give yourself worries about being object when you can remove any allegations of it by randomizing? What really needs to happen is a better way for fighting game players to meet each other and play. Online has solved some of the issues but it comes with its own sets of problems.
Eh?Because of the frequency of tournaments in this community, the TOs not playing is a bigger missed opportunity that would be a shame to create. Unfortunately the way brackets are run leads to suspicions of them getting some favoritism. But considering that this is a community event, the way the tournaments are being seeded is simply creating a division between tournament players that is unnecessary because we do not have any type of professional league to separate the players. This year?s Evo points are the first step towards that since the last wasn?t so successful.
THIS. All of SRK needs to put this post in their brains and understand it. Tournaments are not there for stream monsters, they are there for the players.
All you are doing by seeding is increasing the odds of unskilled nobodies to face people of much better skill. The only way to account for the discrepancy in skill between players would be to have different leagues that they could play in and be able to rank up.
Professional sports separate the elite from the amateur. The seeding that happens during play offs is earned by season play which is completely different than the tournaments in the fighting game community. EVO is barely getting a similar seed system in play. Besides, nobody is making an argument for ?unskilled? nobodies making top 8; the whole issue is giving preferential treatment to players on open tournaments.
Seeding isn?t fixing anything. All it does is increase the chance of mismatches based on an awkward assessment of player skill. Yes you can seed by who won the last tournaments but all the other spots are just randomly ignored. Once again these are issues that can be solved by properly dividing the player base. But that might kill some of the allure of the way tournaments are set up now which is that everybody competes against everybody.
If there is one thing that absolutely needs to happen is never having to hear this community bitch about tie breakers. If randomly seeding a double elimination is this much of a hastle to explain, I definitely to not want to read the barrel of tears that?ll happen when people start drawing into top 8.
It could work in the fighting game community but it would require the tournament to be very well run. For the most part it isn?t worth it since it also brings a whole set of issues with it.
