I can't believe what I just saw. (Shady Tournament Stuff)

[Fivec]

I disagree. You are saying this on the basis that well known players should be moved for the possibility that they play each other at the end of the tourney. Well what about the unknown player who made his way to the top and knocked out one of these well known players. Remember when they hyped up cleveland vs lakers and Lebron them got their ass thrown out by Orlando? We got a surprise when JWong was put out of Evo last year. You randomize it so that people “actually” get to see the hype matches because of the possibility (especially in the finals) of an upset since we are all human and can all loose.

Edit: It also allow us newb gamers to look upto someone else for a change…

I don’t see how seeding prevents unknown players from moving up the bracket and knocking out stars.

[Surenio]

When money is on the line, seeding is necessary. Joe shmoe could be on one side of the brackets with all east matches while all of the top pros are on the other side. Joe Shmoe makes it to winners finals and loses. Now he’s in losers finals and gets 3rd place. He gets money even though there were many good player who placed below him. This is why we have seeding and double elimination brackets. To get the most accurate results. If an upset happens, then that’s great. Shit gets really hype. But organizers should only seed maybe top 8 players in normal sized tournaments to prevent any random average-level player from getting prize money when they don’t try as hard, nor play as well as top players.

It’s funny how you can easily say non top/known players don’t try as hard based on absolutely nothing.

[Fivec]

Don’t understand why it’s shitty for the players. Outside of the people who benefit from seeding I don’t see how its bad for anyone else.

There are plenty of people who could benefit from regional and skill-based seeding besides the top pros, as has already been mentioned in this thread.

[Reioumu]

Noel I didn’t make it a big deal because I don’t need to do such things to make myself feel better but I talked to osirion before the match to clarify because the website said 2 out of 3 and you guys played off 3 out of 5. When we started the match I told you and you nodded to me as if it was ok until you lost. I got webster and he told me it was 2 out of 3 then got cold feet by your bitching. I honestly didn’t care because I came to play street fighter not throw a hissy fit, so I tried to man up my fault.

Don’t drop my name as if you knew what I did ok? Atleast keits apologized and told me it was fucked up and wrong. You guys knew what happened I just felt I could really be better than the sitution when it all turned sour.

I’m on my cell phone so its hard to edit but it went before the match I made sure it was 2/3 like the website said at the front desk. You agreed with me till it was a problem then I got webster and he fucked up; if anything two parties shouldn’t able to agree at a tourney to change rules winners finals should of never been 3/5 I had no consent at all for a 3/5 losers finals.

Wow real talk. if you agree to something, don’t go back down on it like a little bitch when it’s not going your way. Also stop being so mad and breaking OTHER people’s shit. Noel needs to calm down.

[Master_Chibi]

Man when did tournaments turn into pay per view events?

People are there to take everyone else’s money and prove they can do it regardless of who they’re playing against, not put on a show and look pretty for you while doing it.

On top of which there is no standardized manner of tournaments or linking the majors / tournaments together outside of the seeds for Evolution. This works for Evolution, but going into the tournaments that provide points for Evolution, everything should be fucking random. You work for your shit.

I’m fucking disgusted that the word ‘stars’ is even being used at this point.

What the fuck have we turned into?

[Durant]

When money is on the line, seeding is necessary. Joe shmoe could be on one side of the brackets with all east matches while all of the top pros are on the other side. Joe Shmoe makes it to winners finals and loses. Now he’s in losers finals and gets 3rd place. He gets money even though there were many good player who placed below him. This is why we have seeding and double elimination brackets. To get the most accurate results. If an upset happens, then that’s great. Shit gets really hype. But organizers should only seed maybe top 8 players in normal sized tournaments to prevent any random average-level player from getting prize money when they don’t try as hard, nor play as well as top players.

But what you are saying is that Joe Shmoe is a random average player and ignoring the fact that he made it to top 8. Lets think on that for a sec. How many people would he actually have to beat to get there? In a small tourney fine, but in a larger tourney I am quite sure thats more than 3 people to get to final 8. What you are doing is saying that someone who made it to top 8 is a scrub and not even acknowledging they had the skill to make it there. Shit you might as well call Vangief a scrub…

[Joe_The_Condor]

Floe vs Justin at WNF again? Oh werd?!!!

[Syxx573]

If these tournaments only paid out for first place then yeah, seeding wouldn’t matter. But the tournaments pay out top 3 (and in some cases more than that) so seeding is very important if you are trying to get a legit top 3 and in this case a top 8 ( because of the EVO points prize )

[KarateLincoln]

Who cares about seeding points for EVO? The favorites will be spread out anyway.

[Zeit_Kuppler]

Was reading this thread and I agree for the most part that its pretty shady stuff, but I have to call this dude out on COMPLETE BULLSHIT

If this really did happen, all I can say is wow…

• this is the kind of thing that players do in the smash community, leave this shady shiet outta Street Fighter etc please!!

Bro. I’ve been in the smash community almost the past ten years and nothing even close this has EVER happened at a melee tournament. This kind of behavior is practically unheard of. I have helped and oversaw many major tournaments happened within the melee community all over the nation and nothing like this ever happens. Trust me.
At the most on occassion, brackets would be moved around BEFORE the tournament begins after its made to separate people from playing their training buddies on round 1.
So I don’t know where the fuck you have the idea that the smash community is like this, but get that bullshit out of your head. For as long as I’ve been in the melee community, I’ve NEVER seen anything close like this ever occuring.
So stfu and play some more hadoken fighter.

[Fivec]

And? What’s wrong with no names exactly?

They’re boring to watch.

Now, occasionally there will be an unknown like Gamerbee who takes the community by storm, but generally, you want to see the best level of talent in top 8 that you can, and a bunch of no-names aren’t going to provide that.

You play who you have to play, if you’re upset you have to play against your friend round 1 then tough shit. Two top players have to play each other early? tough shit. Why should anyone get any sort of preferential treatment?

This is a circular argument. There shouldn’t be seeding because there shouldn’t be seeding. I just explained why players should get preferential treatment.

[fruityryu]

As someone who was there, Osirun was mostly at a desk with a lot of the brackets. At any point a player could probably just talk to him early in the day and see the brackets. I know I was looking at the Pool 3 and 4 brackets for most of Saturday before they started. Honestly I think it’s pretty much a positive to have players be able to see the brackets. It prevents more errors. It’s not like anyone would really go up and like, write their name into top 8 or something.

A bracket that isn’t going to change is great for everyone to see. A draft bracket whose seeding isn’t finalized and is subject to change will only cause confusion, and as it did in this case, it incites people to complain and pick what would be more favorable to them.

[Worm]

When money is on the line, seeding is necessary. Joe shmoe could be on one side of the brackets with all east matches while all of the top pros are on the other side. Joe Shmoe makes it to winners finals and loses. Now he’s in losers finals and gets 3rd place. He gets money even though there were many good player who placed below him. This is why we have seeding and double elimination brackets. To get the most accurate results. If an upset happens, then that’s great. Shit gets really hype. But organizers should only seed maybe top 8 players in normal sized tournaments to prevent any random average-level player from getting prize money when they don’t try as hard, nor play as well as top players.

Though that hypothetical guy still beat half of the players. If half(or a fourth or an eight or fucking whatever it’s late) of the entrants in the tournament are worse than some below-contempt average player, then what the fuck is going on?

I really don’t agree or disagree, however this seems like a really bad argument. Especially when we presently have an example where top 8 players are picking and choosing who they’d like to play.

[Fivec]

What the fuck have we turned into?

Something that people care about watching.

[Surenio]

**They’re boring to watch. **

Now, occasionally there will be an unknown like Gamerbee who takes the community by storm, but generally, you want to see the best level of talent in top 8 that you can, and a bunch of no-names aren’t going to provide that.

So, who’s more important, the player or the spectator?

[Reioumu]

It’s funny how you can easily say non top/known players don’t try as hard based on absolutely nothing.

Ok, tell me this. How come top players win consistently? How come the other players don’t win as consistently? Obviously the top players try harder, put more time into this, and play a lot more. The amount of effort put in is shown. Especially when newer players step it up and cause upsets.

But what you are saying is that Joe Shmoe is a random average player and ignoring the fact that he made it to top 8. Lets think on that for a sec. How many people would he actually have to beat to get there? In a small tourney fine, but in a larger tourney I am quite sure thats more than 3 people to get to final 8. What you are doing is saying that someone who made it to top 8 is a scrub and not even acknowledging they had the skill to make it there. Shit you might as well call Vangief a scrub…

Please learn to read and also I hope you know what a bracket looks like. In my hypothetical that doesn’t happen because of seeding by skill, you won’t have every good player on one side of the bracket, and every bad/ok player on the other side. If there was no seeding, it would be possible that the best of the “ok” players will make TOP 3 and make money when they are relatively not that good.

[Durant]

They’re boring to watch.

Now, occasionally there will be an unknown like Gamerbee who takes the community by storm, but generally, you want to see the best level of talent in top 8 that you can, and a bunch of no-names aren’t going to provide that.

This is a circular argument. There shouldn’t be seeding because there shouldn’t be seeding. I just explained why players should get preferential treatment.

Wait wait so Gamerbee has no talent? You are associating unknown players to no talent players. I am quite sure there is a difference.

[Joe_The_Condor]

They’re boring to watch.

Now, occasionally there will be an unknown like Gamerbee who takes the community by storm, but generally, you want to see the best level of talent in top 8 that you can, and a bunch of no-names aren’t going to provide that.

This is a circular argument. There shouldn’t be seeding because there shouldn’t be seeding. I just explained why players should get preferential treatment.

You’re assuming these “no-name” players that make it to the top 8 suck. It’s a circular argument, I agree.

[Surenio]

Ok, tell me this. How come top players win consistently? How come the other players don’t win as consistently? Obviously the top players try harder, put more time into this, and play a lot more. The amount of effort put in is shown. Especially when newer players step it up and cause upsets.

Experience goes a long way. I’m just saying it’s funny how you use that mentality to up and say other players aren’t trying as hard.

[Reioumu]

Also real talk, the only places that matter skill-wise are first and second.