seriously, wtf?
this could only happen if you’re popoblo, cuz i haven’t heard of anyone else who was able to pull this off. >_<
I would just analyze and see why you lost to whoever you played after every match.
Another thing thats important, which you should be doing every match, is know your opponents weakness through his character. An obvious example would be something like Vega vs. Zangief.
Vega: fast as shit, good ass range, keep zangief away all day, free win.
Zangief: Slow, slow and more slow.
Abuse the shit out of the disadvantage.
Though somethings I don’t think can every be taught, some people just have crazy robotic like reflexes, practice makes perfect.
Picking up other characters/grooves helps tremendously. It keeps things fun because of the variety, but it gives you more insight into what else is capable in the game. There’s no way anyone could tell you everything about the game, you just learn it as you go and react to it when you see it. When you haven’t seen it yet, you lose, you learn, and get better.
I used to hate RCing 'cause I was a K-groove only player. Now I’m an RC whore. I still don’t like using top tiers, except Cammy, but learning them helps to play against them.
That thing with Popoblo…that’s impressive. I’ve never seen someone without match experience get better. Congrats to the one person who broke away…
Im basically in the same boat as you Jino. When it comes to higher level play, I just lose. Its quite frustrating.
Trust me. He’s not the only one :tup:
well, im pretty good, and i dont have any good comp around me at all. Im not diago or anything but im not to shabby either. As a matter of fact i played carlos at the final stand in gainsville last august. I picked a groove to counter his k and lost. My name used to be nipp0n. I even posted a thread with some vids of carlos and my matches in it a long while ago.Ive gotten a ton better since then.Then again, im obsessed with this fucking game…Ask my wife :xeye:
correct :tup:
Not to put down popoblo’s efforts but he DID have match experience. Even being able to play in a local small tourney maybe once every 3 months is still SOME level of comp. The problem is when you have NO comp whatsoever.
I couldn’t find ANYONE in my area that knows how to play CvS2 well. Even my friends who are usually pretty 1337 gamers and tear up things like CS and the like just couldn’t play fighters. Even when they understood all the mechanics they just didn’t have the ‘mindgame’ type mindset that you use when playing fighters.
Honestly without SOME type of experience against someone better than you, you cannot get better. I could get pretty good by watching vids and seeing what people would do to me if I did this or that, hence I shouldn’t do it and instead do this/etc. But that shit only takes you so far. I think the amount you can learn from training mode is highly underrated, but there IS a point where you need to start playing people better than you. If you didn’t need to vs someone better than you to learn then we’d have a slew of Daigo’s/J.Wong’s/Choi’s at every Evo.
You are only as good as the people you train with.
i understand your point but i still disagree. i had the opportunity to play bas, kindevu, and otaku alone at lay’s during TX showdown for about an hour straight, and the final record was 10 games for team japan, 5 games for me. the people i play with could NEVER beat any of those players, even by counter teaming otaku with A-groove. patience is a HUGE factor, because most of the people i play against are simply too impatient. not trying to brag, just trying to prove a point.
being able to analyze a match vid is infinitely more important than just watching a match vid also, which some people don’t understand. that’s a big way i got better, to realize not what was happening, but WHY it was happening.
peace
I’m no great player but just pick the best 3 characters you can use and just train on them. Or use 3 characters at any point you used as R-2’s for any stretch greater than a month and use that as your team. Another one is try picking up and learning characters you’re weak against. For the longest time i was weak against charge back Capcom characters (Bison, Blanka Honda mainly) I decided to pick up Blanka and Balrogand now i can handle charge back characters a little better considering i know when their charging when their vunerable by just using two of the main charge back characters. Learn more characters try to learn all characters or at least the substantial oens that you face and you will do better if you know your opponents options.
to play at a higher level, i think you also need to understand the battery/ user/anchor “theory” (for a lack of a better word) for bar building grooves (everything cept S and K).
The best example is why you won’t put a-bision as the first character in your team.
as many ppl mentioned, patience is also very important. But note that patience isn’t the same as turtling. You can wait for the right moment to rush down, etc.
knowing your match ups are important as well. It helps your patience alot when you know what your opponent can or cannot do against you in certain situations, so you can either avoid or take advantage of the situations.
having the ability to learn and adapt during a match is more of a bonus. if you run across a character that you have never played against, or don’t know even about the character, you’ll need to figure out what you need to do to win. This largely comes from experience imo.
as popoblo said, being able to analyze match vids is huge. Know what went wrong, what that person should’ve done, and why he did certian things are key for learning.
Play 3S on the side. Seriously. You can’t just RC some random move in the other guy’s face whenever you’re being pressured. No roll, no random low jump, and scrub Vega’s j.HK forces you to actually play footgames with your opponents as well.
Ken vs Ken mirror match. Both guys are only allowed to use d.LK, d.MK, and d.HK. d.MK is to poke, d.HK is to punish the poke, d.LK is to fake and bait the d.HK so you can punish with your own poke or d.HK. Once both players are even, start adding jump-ins, reaction dping those jump-ins, and then parrying all those dps. Only after those basics are learned do you start adding painful combos, high/low/throw mixups, or whatever.
How do you get good in CvS2? RC psycho crushaa! Roll, super! RC ball from full screen! Worse than GGXX bursting out of combos, super jump canceling everything, air dash/jump all over the place, and auto-pilot Eddie doing whatever he wants to you now that I think about it. 3S isn’t perfect, because I REALLY hate some of the stuff Yun and Chun can do, but yeah, fuck videos, turtling, and A-groove. Play some other games besides just CvS2 all the time and you get better in general once you come back.
Umm im gonna have to agree with popoblo ummm playing against people is just a taaaaaaaaad overrated. Hell when i use to play games 90% of the time i even got to play a human PERIOD it was cuz of a tourny. I never really played anyone. Only time I played games was usualy in training mode shrug.
So its not really that far fetched. shrug
roflcopter. Theory fighter idiot.
Ya, bad 3rd strike analogy, if you wan’t to get better at Cvs2 play more Cvs2…not 3rd strike
no actually all you need to know is that if a character is shitty without meter don’t put them first, this isn’t marvel.
anyways, the only way to get better by yourself, figure out best combo in every situation and execute it 100 percent. only way to really get better is to play people that are good enough that when you fuck up a combo or opening you lose the match
close the thread, that’s the best answer there is. somebody misses an uppercut, you don’t throw them, you standing fierce into super or CC or level 3 or ANYTHING that puts the most hurt on your opponent.
heh, the cvs2 order thing isn’t rocket science, but ppl need to know it to play on a higher level. but there are abit more to it than what you just said, like who is good at building meter and don’t really need it.
as for the combo thing, while it’s true, that’s a next to impossible task to do. What you should do is to practice bnb combos that work in most siutations. cause the best one might be abit complicated to pull during tourny or something. keeping combos simple could help too. You don’t need fancy combos to win (not that strider was implying).
This is very true, after playing 3s my execution went up a little.