How to make Ellen Degeneres a good character

hmmm this fucko was so thirsty to put his two cents in that he didn’t even read the previous posts thoroughly. i said King is weak strength-wise in both cvs and cvs2, meaning more damage is inflicted when she’s hit. then i said she is a very effective char in both games. just because you get your ass kicked when you attempt to use her doesn’t make her ineffective. gtf outa here with that shit and read thoroughly before you post.

please stop posting flame bait.

everyone here is pretty much posting really vague theory fighting crap, including you. if you dont’ want people to call BS on your posts, post something more specific…if you dont’ feel like you know that much, post some “ideas” and let people know that you dont’ know if it works for sure. try to refrain from using phrases like “hmm this fucko…”, etc.

just for some reference, buktooth rated N-king as the lowest of the low tiers with their best groove. why N-king is better than any of her other groove is beyond me. i think her A groove is pretty good, she has a pretty sick corner custom that you can combo into off trap shot or her qcb+p move(dunnoi the name). but yeah i think king is the worst character in the game. i’ve been playing her a lot in A-groove recently, i personally find A-kyosuke/raiden/vice a lot more playable than king. she has “decent” normals, but(already mentioned) she has crap supers…

does anyone know if she can combo off jab or short? the onlyl combo i know is like c.fwd/strong xx qcb+p or K.

(c.lk,close s.lk, Rdp.lk)

c.lp/c.lk, close s.mk/ non counter hit lk.

counter hit c.lp/c.lk… c.mk

random combos… c.lk+3 hcb mk… on stand/large characters?

short short. HK Double strike :pleased:

i’ll disregard all your opinionated statements except your comment about suggestions. the running ability is necessary to follow up the short venom and double st after guard crush or groggy. N is the easiest to use if you want to do that.

j.round>st.fierce>qcb+p(fury kick)>dp+k(suprise r.), c.short>st.fwd>qcb+jab>dp+k, j.round>c.fwd>dpb+k(trap)>dp+k, j.round>c.short>hcb+short or forward, -guard crush or groggy- qcfqcf+short>run towards>qcb+p>dp+k,
j.fierce>c.short/st.jab/c.jab>dpb+short>dp+k

she’s an anti-air and always has been.

i went to look at the frame data for king. all her links are one frame links. c.lk --> close s.mk is one frame :confused:

for some reason c.lk --> s.lk is 0 frame link(meaning impossible) but maybe it works if c.lk—>s.lk is like a chain?

i think it’s important for A-king to easily combo into her trap shot. it might actually make her worth using if you can do garauteed CC’s.

? c.lk ,close s.lk to Rdp lk… Aint no 0 frame link :confused: It’s just like sakura’s/yuri’s Bnb

c.lk close standing lk to Dragon punch?! :karate:

the frame data book says c.lk = +4 frames

and s.lk has a 4 frame startup :confused:

i don’t get it…

king is top tier in snk 1

no doubt. let’s see what makes her good:

1-crazy trip
2-crazy super at lvl1
3-crazy roll, super
4-2 good anti-airs
5-great jumpin rh, and great crossup short
6-ability to combo off fierce throw in corner
7-safe Tornado Kick pressure
8-link lvl1 silent flash off her trip and her slide.

now let’s see cvs2 king:

1-trip is not crazy…it’s average
2-lvl1 silent flash is average
3-roll is even better…tied for best in game…but since lvl1 supers are blah now…
4-anti-airs are OK…still pretty good
5-jumpins … below average compared to godly jumpins others have
6-still got it iirc
7-no good nemore since it gets owned by fierce
8-no

It is because that is not a link. It is a chain, and chains don’t have anything to do with recovery/startup comparisons.

…and gunter is a fuckin hero with A-king. watching him own people with A-king at evo2k3 was unreal. if you want to learn how to make her a good character, just watch gunter and take notes.

peace

So gunter makes a-groove king look good huh?

Im guessing he uses her as battery then, I know i used to (a-groove).
I used her a lot until I felt that she wasnt doing anything for me,
that and the fact that I was losing bad to blanka and sagat.

I talked to gunter about king before he changed his sight and stopped posting at shoryuken.
(sheds a tear)

He told me not to quit her but I’d never seen him play king.

Anyway if there are still those who were wondering about kings combos
the only one I was able to find a when i used to play her, that I used frequently was c.lk, s.mk, fk.trap shot. (that connects? yes it does, its done close of course.)

Hey popoblo hows it going, havent been to shoryuken in a while the last thing I posted was when you had a thread for eagle and I added the “free custom if they safe fall after a throw”…

Hope I get to see gunter play king one of these days.

Mummy B, I had no idea…
He will be missed here at shoryuken and I will miss him as well…