How much does your arcade stick lag? Arcade stick input lag testing & results thread

Dubon · February 24, 2016, 5:27pm

What gave me the impression they have 2 different pcbs you mean?
Well this:

Teyah:

MarkMan:

I visit this thread once every few weeks. I find it enlightening/entertaining and useful all at the same time.

BTW, hope you guys have fun testing our new stuff. They all perform better based on the testing methods used in the OP.

Thanks MarkMan, I’m glad you found the results interesting and worth considering. I remember an old blog post of yours that said you were working on improving the latency of your sticks using a similar method, so it was nice to see that the right people put some work into this sort of thing as well.

On that note I’ve finished testing both the TE-S+ and TE2+ and it looks like the response time has improved significantly over previous Mad Catz sticks.

Quick and dirty results for the new MCZ sticks: TE2+ is about as fast as the Xrd pad (A+), TE-S+ is about as fast as the Hori pad (B-). I actually prefer the form factor and feel of the TE-S+ over the TE2+, so I’ll be playing on that instead (lag isn’t everything… surprised?)

Full results will be up soon on the site, when I get around to making new thumbnails and updating tables and other boring/time-consuming stuff.

Or am i mistaken about their turboarea beeing identical?

Vicko · February 24, 2016, 5:38pm

Lol that’s funny.

@Teyah, are there any physical differences in the 2 pcbs?

Dubon · February 24, 2016, 6:01pm

Actually the led pcb accesory might require a different pcb. Its still surprising if they actually designed a different one for each stick though.

Komatik · February 24, 2016, 6:48pm

All I care is that the stick has a good body, kickass default artwork and is fast. The only puzzling omission are the bottom no-slip strips that were originally present in the TE2 and 360 TES+.

General_Awesomo · February 24, 2016, 11:01pm

@Teyah, could you test these sticks and pads?

HRAP.V Hayabusa Silent
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B018V4EB7E/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?qid=1456333379&sr=8-2&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=Hori+silent&dpPl=1&dpID=41AZML7arIL&ref=plSrch

HRAP.V Hayabusa

HRAP.4 Kai Silent
http://stores.horiusa.com/real-arcade-pro-4-kai-silent-for-playstation-4/

HORI Fighting Stick MINI 4
http://stores.horiusa.com/fighting-stick-mini-4-for-playstation-4/

HORI Fighting Commander 4

Mad Catz FightStick Alpha
http://store.madcatz.com/categories/fightsticks-category/Street-Fighter-5-Arcade-FightStick-Alpha-for-PS4-PS3.html

Mad Catz FightPad PRO
http://store.madcatz.com/categories/fightsticks-category/Street-Fighter-5-FightPad-PRO-for-PS4-PS3.html

VANITY TESTING:
HRAP VLX Hayabusa

Especially the HRAP.V Hayabusa Silent. I like the HRAP.V Hayabusa form factor, like the XInput feature, and I’m curious about the optical stick and Hayabusa silent buttons. I’m a little sad that HORI went back to not putting padding on the bottom. I’m buying two to replace my TE2 and HRAP.4 Kai.

Darksakul · February 24, 2016, 11:22pm

I wonder if I could figure out what self adhesive material would work in it’s place.
More than a few people got non-slip padding over the years

Teyah · February 25, 2016, 1:54am

All of those have already been tested, except for the Hori FS mini, MCZ Fightpad Pro, and MCZ Fightstick Alpha. These three most likely won’t be tested.

I also have yet to test the newest Hori line. But I have heard that a Japanese tester tested these (using the same method that I and other JP testers use) and found that the newest VLX and HRAP sticks did not have the high input delay of the older HRAP4/V series that I tested.

Komatik · February 25, 2016, 4:36am

IIRC some people got self-adhesive felt from a hardware store. Apparently ended up a lot like the Qanba felt bottom.

Teyah · February 25, 2016, 5:56am

I’ve already given back the TE2+ I used for testing, but from what I can see online, the TE2+ PCB is inside of a closed compartment. This compartment looks to be somewhat smaller than the TE-S+ PCB, so physically there looks to be some difference. Can’t really say much more than that unfortunately.

Vicko · February 25, 2016, 6:20am

I would think for the sake of those interested in more than just numbers and letter grades, pictures of the PCBs and differences between revisions would be helpful additions.

Teyah · February 25, 2016, 6:28am

I agree, and I think that would be a great discussion for the TE2 thread here. Hopefully some owners can provide some of that info you’re looking for.

Ariesno · February 25, 2016, 1:10pm

@Teyah

You mean last Hori Hrap and VLX with Hayabusa button are faster than first Hrap4 PS4 ?(faster than old VLX Kuro is not difficult =) )

General_Awesomo · February 25, 2016, 11:00pm

Wait, what? I’m getting mixed messages here. The HRAPs I mentioned (except for the HRAP.4 Kai Silent) are part of the new line. Similar names, but they are the ones with the Hayabusa buttons and the built in XInput feature (except on the HRAP VLX Hayabusa). Same thing with the HORI Fighting Commander 4. It’s not the Pro version with the assymetrical design and rotating D-pad. It’s the one that has a symmetrical design, fixed D-pad, and the built in XInput feature. Those five (4 sticks and 1 pad) haven’t been tested yet. Unless someone else has tested them?

MICHAEL419 · February 25, 2016, 11:37pm

Curious about this information as well. Looking forward to the update

Teyah · February 25, 2016, 11:49pm

General_Awesomo:

@Teyah:

General_Awesomo:

snip

All of those have already been tested, except for the Hori FS mini, MCZ Fightpad Pro, and MCZ Fightstick Alpha. These three most likely won’t be tested.

I also have yet to test the newest Hori line. But I have heard that a Japanese tester tested these (using the same method that I and other JP testers use) and found that the newest VLX and HRAP sticks did not have the high input delay of the older HRAP4/V series that I tested.

Wait, what? I’m getting mixed messages here. The HRAPs I mentioned (except for the HRAP.4 Kai Silent) are part of the new line. Similar names, but they are the ones with the Hayabusa buttons and the built in XInput feature (except on the HRAP VLX Hayabusa). Same thing with the HORI Fighting Commander 4. It’s not the Pro version with the assymetrical design and rotating D-pad. It’s the one that has a symmetrical design, fixed D-pad, and the built in XInput feature. Those five (4 sticks and 1 pad) haven’t been tested yet. Unless someone else has tested them?

Haha my bad. I should have clicked on your links before commenting. Yeah that’s the new line, sorry for the mixup.

I’ll test those eventually, but it’s not a big priority for me right now. I won’t be buying any for myself as I’m not a fan of the Hayabusa stick (Kuro buttons are great though).

Darksakul · February 25, 2016, 11:51pm

I prefer Seimitsu parts myself.

Komatik · February 25, 2016, 11:54pm

You’re anti-most people on that one. Most love the stick and dislike the buttons.

A friend recently got a Seimitsu lever and is very impressed with it.

aszyd · February 26, 2016, 12:00am

I love Seimitsu buttons, KN’s specifically, but the only stick I have used is an LS-32. It might as well have been a JLF. It didn’t feel like anything special. I would like to try a LS-40 though.

ShinMagus · February 26, 2016, 12:19am

I love the Hayabusa stick and like the Kuro buttons. The OBS-MX buttons impressed me though (I just dislike their smoothness, but their actuation performance when coupled with linear switches is stellar, unmatched, AFAIK), and I’m hoping the new Hayabusa buttons will prove to be the new king, with awesomely short actuation distance without feeling like something taken from a mechanical keyboard.

Darksakul · February 26, 2016, 12:27am

Have a suspicion that in a few months time that textured surface is going to be worn smooth and the buttons will end up looking like crapola. I doubt those buttons are made out of a tougher plastic like PBT.
At least with the old Kuro buttons, Game Fingers, Sanwa, Seimitsu buttons, they being worn smooth and polished with use don’t look at bad as the plastic already smooth.