I recently just lost insurance from my parents due to age, and I’m self employed, so insurance isn’t even an option for me anymore. I’d be happy with anything over nothing.
It doesn’t help that my bp is so dang high that I’m basically a walking time bomb. It’s kinda odd. It’s not like i’m not healthy or anything, but my family has a history of high blood pressure and mine has been recorded high enough to where my doctor was surprised that I haven’t fallen over dead. Also doesn’t help that the bp medicines I tried while I had insurance all made me very sick.
I dunno… I’m starting just to hate everything about the country I live in.
how can the ama support the health care bill when it changes daily?
it’s stupid anyway. no matter what happens we’ll get screwed just in different ways. now the old people or chronically sick people will get screwed by health care instead of poor/lower middle class people.
if it fails though i don’t think obama should be blamed anyway since he hasn’t done anything with the bill except tell everyone to hurry up and get it done. how could you reward or blame him when he didn’t write a word of the bill?
same thing with the patriot act. congress put all that stuff in there and voted it in. bush really had nothing to do with it.
Do you realize why there isn’t just a crappy private option? Because it isn’t financially feasible. The crappy public option just means that you’re going to be getting impressively shitty insurance options…and the middle class is going to foot the bill for it, as even the Obama Administration is saying.
You’re wiping from the rear to the front and your hand is traveling at approximately two inches per second. If the toilet paper contacts your balls at approximately .7 seconds, how long is your taint?
Again, it’s very, very easy to go for tit-for-taton horror stories. That doesn’t make a stupid, half-baked government experiment any less stupid, any more baked, or anything other than an experiment.
Not to be evasive, but my answer is this: opposing the current health care legislation and opposing the larger idea of health care for everyone are two very different things. As with most issues at hand, there seems to be polarization going on here, in which you’re either all for the proposed plan or you’re against heath reform altogether. This is not a rational approach to the problem.
That isn’t being evasive at all. That’s being 100% dead-on. I’m very against the current plan for a government-owned insurance company, but I’d never call it anything close to full-on government health care.
Full on social health care is a “definitely not.” That would put millions out of work. Would cost, depending on the estimate, trillions just to start with hundreds of billions used annually to keep it running. Would, as Sigley pointed out, basically give the middle finger to people who have chronic conditions and old people. And would probably end up making China call in all those trillions we already owe them.
When there are massive corporations established in the countries with social medicine to help people get to countries with private medicine, you know it isn’t a good idea.
What do you mean by this? (I’m honestly confused) Are you trying to say the private insurance we have now is all that great? We are approaching fourty-six million uninsured Americans and 9 million uninsured children. Besides that, the private insurance companies don’t make profits by paying claims. They make money by excluding people for pre-existing conditions, finding loopholes to kick out members who are costing them too much money, and forcing people to co-pay. It seems to me that the more profitable a private insurance company becomes, the worse off their clients are.
I just don’t see how we can have a really good health care system with purely capitalistic insurance companies. There’s too much of a conflict of interest there. I know we place a lot of value on the free market, but it isn’t a cure all. It isn’t a sentient, omnibenevolent, self-correcting, all-knowing being that always produces the best result for the people. Yet from the way a lot of people talk, you’d think that’s exactly the case.
I really do want a public option. I know I said “even a crappy one is better than none at all.” But there’s no guarantee that it’s going to be crappy. We don’t even know exactly what’s in the bill right now. Even the majority of the people actually working on it don’t know how it’s going to look like when all is said and done. Let’s not jump the gun here.
Furthermore, a public option will be a check on the private insurance industry. If the public option doesn’t exclude people for pre-existing conditions, then the private companies will be pretty much forced to stop doing so too or they will lose customers. If the public option provides better quality service, then the private insurance companies will be forced to step up their game in that regard, as well. All in all it seems like the public option will provide a lot of functions that are sorely needed right now. Like helping to cover uninsured Americans and providing a check on Private Insurance companies.
Once again, look at the shortlist of horror stories just out of the veteran hospitals and ask yourself if the government insinuating itself into medicine, even at a marginal level, is a good idea.
Not that that’s anything even related to what you quoted.
I apologize if I misquoted you. I edited my post to point out I was confused about what you meant. Reading it again I’m not sure what you were trying to say by saying “Do you realize why there isn’t just a crappy private option?”
I took that to mean that the private option isn’t crappy, which it actually kind of is.
Not every government run healthcare system is bad. The single payer systems in other countries are ranked among the best healthcare systems, period. We also have Medicaid. I just don’t understand why everyone seems so eager to protect the private insurance companies and so eager to assume the worst.
I guess your argument boils down to being more comfortable with the devil we know rather than the one we don’t. I’m curious though, what do you think is the best course of action for health care reform?
Yep,thanks for answering my question,fuck this bill.I have two chronic ilnesses:asthma(doesn’t effect me anymore)and multiple sclerosis.My stepdad had private insurance on my mom and I,it was really good.He had a stroke,they fired him,insurance and life insurance gone.I have medicaid and they pay for my medicine/doctor bills.If I die tomorrow my family will have to pay outta pocket.
Insurance is too damn costly,when he had his job he payed 550 a month for all 3 of us.Now he pays that just for himself.:sad:
my mom has diabeties and i cant get her good health insurace.this was one of the main reasons i voted for obama. the preexisting policy is complete bs!