HD remix and ST

zaspacer · July 29, 2012, 2:54am

Well, 360 on CRT works for me feel-wise, so I guess to each their own.

I have only played GGPO (online ggpo and offline ggpofba) on crap LCDs, so I can’t really give much quality feedback on them.

A few of us have plans to test the various set-ups to document input lag, hopefully that will help people figure out set-ups that fit their needs.

7_5_0 · July 29, 2012, 4:56am

Without knowing all the specifics, graphically it MAY be… In all other matters, NO.

Super Street Fighter II Turbo HD Remix really doesn’t control like the original arcade game. I’d say the control is tighter and it doesn’t have the timing issues with some of the moves (Dragon Punches, Supers, anyone?) that the original arcade game did. The actual Dreamcast port – which I still have – is virtually identical to the arcade game. The “feel”/input of the control on the DC port is identical to the arcade game.

One extra thing Capcom did with the DC port (and this is when Capcom still ported its own arcade games) was to take advantage of the Dreamcast filtering so that the 320 X 200 arcade game didn’t look stretched, fuzzy, or color-bleached on the DC (which runs at 640 X 480 minimum) like some CPS-2 ports did. I’d say the DC port of Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo was the prettiest-looking version of the game on any console, bar none. It had a “higher-res” look that was still faithful to the original arcade version. Another thing that appeals to many retro-players is the fact that the DC port has a dip switch mode; you can turn on various effects, enable English, or make Akuma selectable from the Start by entering into a hidden menu. This is the only Capcom fighting game port on any console that I’m aware that allows you to do that.

Another huge difference is the absence of scoring in the HD Remix. Neither classic graphic mode or HD remix graphic mode on the PSN/XBL download game gives you scoring like the original arcade game did. HD Remix is more concerned with winning rounds and whether you have used continues or not. There’s a “magic formula” of rounds won and Supers you have to perform to unlock Akuma and finish the game against him otherwise your final boss will be M. Bison/Vega as it was in the previous SF2 games.

Yeah, continues and rounds lost do impact in the original arcade game but you get actual “point rewards” for performing Super move takedowns and getting “Perfect’s.” The lack of scoring and consequences for Perfect’s are some of the turn-off’s of the HD remix as far as I’m concerned.

While I do prefer tighter input control for fighters I would say that for past tourney players of SSF2T and diehards messing/rebalancing the controller inputs is probably more upsetting than getting ridding of the Scoring Bar. It means they have to alter the game playing methods they’ve used for well over 10 years… they’re playing 2009/10 edition of SSF2T and NOT one of the 1994 versions they’re used to.

Another thing is that I think HD Remix is considerably easier than the original SSF2T. The rebalanced control helps and there don’t seem to be as many overpowering characters as there were with the original arcade game… The characters seem to be better balanced in HD Remix. It’s sort of hard to explain – you just have to play both versions and you’ll see what I mean.

Couldn’t say whether Super HD Remix was actually ported from the Dreamcast SSF2T port code… If it was, it’s gotta be the developer (which is NOT Capcom; it’s an outside hired company) have emulator software that works with BOTH XBox 360 and PS3. Seems to be that’s what was done with Marvel Vs Capcom 2 according to some reports. HD Remix and MvC2 are the only “Dreamcast ports” I can directly compare to the originals since I have those for Dreamcast and PSN. I don’t have a 360 so I couldn’t compare the other Dreamcast ports on XBL but have heard good and bad stories about those…

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