I learned to do it without when I knew I was going to an arcade. But otherwise why make it harder than it needs to be. It’s allowed, so I will do it. And with no remorse.
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Shouldn’t matter for you Irvin since you jab people instead of throw anyway. No need to worry about teching 
for those in here looking for a job. This was announced a while back, but I don’t remember if it was mentioned on here. Gameloft is opening in NOLA. They make mobile apps/games. Same people that run UbiSoft from what i read. They did Assassin’s Creed for iOS. Here’s a link for applying.
http://www.jobsinnola.com/new/index.html
renewme
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They only want digital concept art. Traditional media out the window. Should be a goldmine for graphic design, animators, and programmers.
Dubh13
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lots of people charge TAP with 3p or 3k Irv just gave you one example. And pad players don’t HAVE to…they could not be lame and play on arcade stick…oh how that came around full circle.
you gave yourself examples in the same paragraph :tup: thanks. And no it’s not justified, I believe Zaith was right to put Brolylegs in his place when they played.
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So you’re saying that anyone that plays on pad should just put down the investment on a stick just to play one game? Sounds financially irresponsible, especially if they don’t play the game enough to make the purchase worth it. And besides, why be forced to buy a stick when there’s the free alternative of mapping buttons on the controller they are comfortable with for everything else? Oh look at that…Again, it comes down to preference. People will play on the setup that they feel most comfortable with. Don’t see why you have to hate on people that play on pad or use mapped buttons (which is tournament legal).
It’s all for the greater good to inform the ignorant darkness, Dubh Since you can’t find examples on your own, it’s more efficient to have us spoon feed them to you.
Dubh13
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I never hated pad players, and I said mapping buttons is lame. Nothing you said changes my mind that mapping throw, dash, 3p or 3k and using them is lame, you know why? Because it’s my OPINION, never did I say that my word is law, yet you sure as fuck are arguing like yours is.
Pot…met Kettle. And that’s all I’m saying on this matter
i dont think that 300 for lax is standard, but iguess it depends on what you think standard is…=[ shit sucks idk
anyone who sets bindings to controller buttons, or to stick is a piece of shit slime…
gameloft is hiring ALL jobs across the board in NOLA 100+ best chances for anyone out there to get into making games for real, not be stuck in lame as QA like with other studios.
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The only thing I intended to show was that it’s not imperative to buy and play on a stick in order to get better at a game. Or that stick is better to play on than a pad. These beliefs that sticks are better are not supported by any conclusive data, research, or experimental results simply because no one has tracked the effects of playing a stick after playing pad and seeing if playing stick or pad grants better tournament or performance results. As it stands, it is a matter of preference.
And you can most certainly state that you feel mapping buttons is lame in your eyes. That’s why you’re entitled to an opinion. It doesn’t really matter to me if I change your mind, but I feel it’s necessary to explore the reasons why people map buttons instead of just blindly condemning them for doing such just because some people do not map buttons. I provided some of the reasons for why people play pad/map buttons and that it is within reason to use mappings on a pad due to some of the limitations of the pad’s physical design. and supported the fact that it is a cheaper alternative to buying a stick (if the stick option is unavailable due to finances or simply undesired to begin with) and that people should play on the setup they are most comfortable with (this also applies to playing on your own stick or someone else’s in addition to playing on a pad controller).
I am sorry that playing the devil’s advocate offends you, but you might be surprised that I have similar views to yours on the matter. Then again, you might not. That’s all I’m going to say on this as I only wanted to state that playing on pad is absolutely acceptable and pad players shouldn’t feel they should be forced to play on stick on account of public opinion.
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Pretty sure Mike and I will be heading out there sometime tonight. I’m working on some ceramics, so it might be just Mike. He has some nasty mvc3 tech he’s been working on.
For those peep coming tonite I’ll be home for 8.
Show up BR! Need a step up however!
u broke down why people should use a stick over a pad and also reinforced that mapping buttons being mapped is just an opinion thats become more acceptable over the last FEW years…good job
also, dont talk about being cost effective when discussing a very cost in-practical hobby
BTW is there a good place to park around there? Last time I was parked out at the little caesars.
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You missed my point that I said one isn’t inherently better than the other and that both are just fine to use with marginal impact on performance. It is still a matter of preference and comfort up to this point in time.
Since I am talking about the present times (the last few years included), why not bring up that mapping buttons is acceptable now since it is relevant?
And I can most definitely talk about something being cost effective when budgets are involved, even if it is about a cost impractical hobby (most hobbies involve some sort of cost, this is partly why it’s a hobby-you invest time/money into something in addition to or outside of your daily routine for entertainment or personal enrichment). For a personal example, art supplies have a high cost to low quantity ratio, but that doesn’t stop me from shopping around for different brands and used supplies and evaluating my options for creating a piece and trying to get the most out of my money. Since I am not getting paid for the work I am investing in my degree yet, it falls under the hobby category to many people. The same holds for people that do not wish to or cannot invest in a stick right away and a pad is their other option.
cities
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When did Zaith play brolylegs?
i think marginal impact can mean a lot of different things, you describe the design of the controller as the reason a person has difficulty with certain inputs and you call that marginal, if it is actually that, it affect play to a large degree. If it doesnt affect gameplay that much what would be the need to map the inputs?..unless it does affect gameplay execution on a large scale. this is in my opinion an maybe the opinion of others because the title in question often times is designed for an arcade layout, that which is emulated on a stick at home.
i think trying to use examples in other facets of life gets tricky in the scope of the difference between two items. for example is a stick to controller a brush to a pencil or something on a different scale, if we are using the inclusive term like art supplies, (drawn correct me if im wrong, from a parallel between art supplies as tool and controller/stick as tools for a hobby) then how is a stick in that regard different from a monitor u use? or are they the same. Im going to use one of popular fallacies here and say if thats the case then is the controller also the same as a monitor?
The main reason tekken players play on pad is because most arcade sticks are 4 ways and tekken is an 8 way game and it only uses the 4 face buttons. Its a lazy excuse but this is the main thing I hear from tekken players who play pad.
I used to hate pad players but now its so accepted like skinny jeans that I have no more energy to waste.
Well if pad was so damn good, you’d see more ppl using it =/
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The design of the controller comes in to play when you hold the assumption that it is expected to be used and held exactly like the arcade stick. To add in my own anecdote regarding this: I had only had experience with an arcade stick when I first started playing fighters. When using a pad for the first time, I treated it like a miniature arcade stick. I held it in my lap, placed my fingertips over the buttons, and held the analog stick with my thumb and forefinger similar to the way some people hold a ball top. I was laughed at and informed that there were different, easier, more appropriate methods-thumb only on the analog or the d-pad. The controller was not made to be an arcade stick, let alone held like one. This is why the trigger/shoulder buttons are in place. Pad users use these existing buttons to act as a replacement for the hand and fingers resting on the multiple buttons of a stick. The controller is not meant to be a replica of the stick. It is its own tool with modifications made in order to obtain the same results that players using sticks yield. It boils down to methods of use such as how one holds a balltop or battop stick as well. One is not strictly better than the other. They both have their own uses and advantages.
Originally I brought up the art supplies comparison to highlight the cost issue. I should have provided examples of cost effectiveness. A tiny tube of watercolor paint costs around $7, a size 6 brush $12, and a single sheet of 22x30 paper can run about $3-5 and up. All of these things are one use only and when they run out, you cannot salvage them. The only exception would be a canvas, but even then you cannot reuse it without destroying the image you created. You have to gesso/wipe it out. I did not intend for it to be compared as different tools with different functions for different purposes, just that they have a large initial cost and that drives the search for cheaper alternatives. I feel this is true for a pad player if he is unsure of the immediate purchase of a stick. He can still get the same results from the cheaper/free option with the same practice that would have been put into a stick without the extra cost.
The tool will not make the player or the artist better. The player will be good or bad regardless of what type of controller they use as long as they are comfortable with their tools.
Couldn’t have put it better
