Hakan Improvements for SSF4 AE?

Dragonfave723 · 2010-12-18T09:28:44.000Z

HAKAN: lk oilup so fast! So oiled so long, I wasn’t used to it and did dry tactics by default lol. Ddt setups, footsie normals same

HAKAN: st jab, cr jab xx slide works! Hakans getup timing & focus dancing seems to take diff timing, this setup does lag though

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xLongshotx · 2010-12-18T10:20:48.000Z

Dragonfave723:

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Thanks. This is what I’ve been waiting for. Good to know that the DDT setups remain intact. Hopefully we’ll get some video footage soon.

reaper2507 · 2010-12-18T14:02:37.000Z

considering the changes it should be possible too

jab–>mp–>f+lk–> slide im wondering if its a 1 framer ^^but anyway good combo potential after a single LP

anyway thats a damn good combo considering it starts from a jab (40dmg jabs by the way!) and if the enemy is standing you can do a DDT after f+lk and if not you still can do a Block/EXRocket(oiled)/F+MP to get close again

PatakaReada · 2010-12-18T15:23:17.000Z

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There’s some Hakan in there. Eat it up. Should I post this on the video thread though?

ll.nd · 2010-12-19T00:38:03.000Z

Played a lil AE at FFA yesterday.

-Don’t think I saw this posted yet, but Hakan’s neutral j.MP causes freefall now.
-Oil Slide definitely felt faster.
-Oil Dive doesn’t quite feel the same. Couldn’t quite setup unblockables but didn’t mess around enough with it so feel free to ignore this.

The_Lone_Dragon · 2010-12-19T01:05:01.000Z

ll.nd:

-Don’t think I saw this posted yet, but Hakan’s neutral j.MP causes freefall now.

That is sexy.

BTW, can you cancel his Super like you can cancel Oil Dive?

And, if LK Oil is so dang fast, is there ANY reason to do his other new Oil Slide follow up?

reaper2507 · 2010-12-19T01:07:38.000Z

the only reason i saw so faar is a change of direktion for corners!

ll.nd · 2010-12-19T01:24:29.000Z

The_Lone_Dragon:

That is sexy.

BTW, can you cancel his Super like you can cancel Oil Dive?

And, if LK Oil is so dang fast, is there ANY reason to do his other new Oil Slide follow up?

Can’t cancel his super unfortunately.

Don’t really see any reason for lk oil follow up lol.

xLongshotx · 2010-12-19T01:52:38.000Z

ll.nd:

Can’t cancel his super unfortunately.

Don’t really see any reason for lk oil follow up lol.

I’m guessing that since lk oil follow up is probably a tad quicker than the oil up after the body splash it may allow for extra pressure opportunities with DNC mixups, DDT setups, meaty st. fierce/fwd + st. fierce and safe jump ins with fwd and RH. I just can’t get over how fast lk oil up is now. :amazed:

Nos99 · 2010-12-19T02:13:20.000Z

Aww… can’t cancel the super?? Not a big deal… but, I wanted it all the same. :sad:

Netral jump air-to-air MP causing knockdown is another good buff IMO. Can now hold your ground with it now instead of committing to the forward or back jump.

Liquigen · 2010-12-19T02:41:20.000Z

I just wish we had a solid-er Hakan gameplay vid.

Wanna see dat even better s.hp AA.

Realpolitix · 2010-12-19T02:47:22.000Z

ll.nd:

-Don’t think I saw this posted yet, but Hakan’s neutral j.MP causes freefall now.

Wow, that’s a huge help in A2A defense. And Daigo is saying it’s pretty much over for us? Pffffft.

reaper2507 · 2010-12-19T03:26:04.000Z

im althou realy intrested in seeing the HP / F-LP AA Propertys or at least hear from them (i assume they still suck a bit and by faar are not as good as rufus c.MP am i wrong?)

Th3_JoK3R_J · 2010-12-19T03:30:58.000Z

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Dragonfave723 · 2010-12-19T03:53:27.000Z

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UltraDavid · 2010-12-19T15:43:43.000Z

I have so much to say and I’m too tired to say it all, so until my megapost tomorrow or soon, here’s this: Hakan is not only much better, but he’s a very different character because of it. I noticed no negative changes (including ddt setups, focus dancing, anything I tried), and yet his oil, pressure, defense, and mid range footsie game are all hugely improved. We’re all gonna have to play very differently, building our gameplans around oiling up, around light attacks, around actually being able to use backdnc and focus backdnc on wakeup, etc. How long/often was I oiled? So long that I literally forgot I was oiled, assumed I was still dry, and used regular ol dry tactics by default. I built 30 seconds of oil super easily.

Early indications imo: probably the best grappler in SSF4AE.

Nos99 · 2010-12-19T15:59:55.000Z

Can someone please check into the change that always puts the slide-effect onto your dash canceled normals, regardless of how soon you hit the button when dashing?

If you always go really far, it could be really sweet to get in and during poke strings and stuff. Instant sliding c.LKs after s.MP and stuff like that.

Infinites maybe? Repeated dashing jab? lol

UltraDavid · 2010-12-19T16:09:54.000Z

dash canceling didnt seem any different to me for the normals i tried it on, iirc cr lk, t+rh, cr+hp

reaper2507 · 2010-12-19T17:18:53.000Z

try DNC c.HP does it hafe the rangebonus?

@UltaDavid
please explain his ComboPotential detailed specialy if its only 1framers or if there are combos that can be used without perfekt execuion since nobody realy hase perfekt execution on 1framers;)g

DDT’s how fast can it be canceld is the Guardposition faster or can it still be punished ?? i mean DDT–>Guardposition <-- Punishable from enemys on reaktion?

How strong are his Antiairs ?

did you try the new followup and its usability?

How about f+LK does it Cancel/Link into itself?

Some changes that are not mentioned? Safer F+HK? is his HK of some use maybe? (uselessed move of hakang)

bubafeast · 2010-12-19T18:56:33.000Z

I would like to know how good is his s.hp and f+lp, does Ryu’s far j.hk trade or s.hp beats it clean?