I’m reading your comments the way they are written…if I’m putting words into your mouth it’s clearly a issue of you just needing to think before you write next time.
This hashtag has made the rounds of nearly every mainstream news outlet and is being hailed as a legitimate social movement speaking the truth. If the hashtag was being criticized for its overtly simplified message and sweeping sexism against men I wouldn’t care. However the issue is that the very opposite has happened and the overwhelming show of support by virtually every mainstream news outlet online including some celebrity tweets is actually applauding the tweets directed at men.
122 likes for this comment and sentiments like this are flooding that hashtag…the same hashtag time,the guardian,people,the New Yorker,Forbes,torontostar and many well known outlets are all currently reverring.
Schopenhauer said that the most fundamental flaw inherent in the nature of women is that they have no ‘sense of justice’. That short phrase summarises much of their behaviour in today’s society where everyone seems to believe they are beyond reproach or at least they heavily sugar-coat it (in a praise-criticism-praise sandwich) when even dare to criticise them at all.
It explains why they are all silent about men getting raped in divorce courts and yet when a woman finally gets to experience what that is like, they come out the woodwork asking for reform: no ‘sense of justice’.
It explains why they’ll call men cowards for not fighting and dying in a war that the women aren’t even participating in at all. No ‘sense of justice’.
And then LIE about the number of women who handed out feathers (Virginia Woolf). No ‘sense of justice’.
It explains how they can abort pregnancies with a good conscience yet if a man slips a woman an abortion pill, it is murder. No ‘sense of justice’.
Well that, and being stupid apparently. An example of their stupidity? Constantly falling for pick-up artist shenanigans despite the pick-up artist game being mostly stagnant. At least men are slowly learning that marriage is a bad deal, can’t say the same about women and PUAs. Or destroying the nuclear family by not allowing fathers to be fathers (harming children and men in the process). Just so they can be sluts. Their short-sightedness is legendary.
So do remember that when you come across blatantly contradictory twitter comments from feminists/women (which might as well be the same thing really since women take advantage of the situation feminists helped create; feminists aren’t the ones filing false rape accusations for instance).
Men need to stop trying to reconcile with them as a whole. It’s clear that they do not care about your suffering or your problems.They are not your friends. You’re not cool.
I like to think of them as ‘necessary enemies’ personally since we do still need them to perpetuate the species. But outside of that don’t rely on them or trust them with anything important.
(Boo. Hiss. Given 40 Year-Old Virgin was an actually good movie, let’s not let this kunt sully that too.)
Ugh. This thread at present. I’m so tempted to divide in a thread for that this apparently insipid hashtag and a thread about the actual incident, but that would technically be censorship, so I’ll refrain (for now).
hyperbolic put-on sigh
It would be nice to go back to talking about the actual incident rather than this faux feminism, but if some of you want to keep proving exactly why nothing ever is going to change on the gun violence front for the better, feel free.
While we’re derailed, I might as well respond to the two specific people who keep bringing up gender and genetic sex for one reason or another now that Spirit Juice has left the building (for now).
@Lord_Raptor - I will say this in the least defensive way possible: Please enlighten us on how we can help people who are “clearly being bothered or getting unwanted attention” without a) being mistaken that an incident is actually on-going, b) making the situation worse, c) endangering ourselves or others needlessly and d) getting frivolously sued or otherwise taken advantage of.
I, personally, am all ears.
For the record, we are talking about intervening in incidents of people of all sexes, correct? Are we just talking about people who are clearly women? This is an unfortunately legitimate question given the nature of your posts in here and the attitudes of many others under this particular hashtag.
@SenninSRK - If that’s so, then I would appreciate if you would stop bringing it up. I understand what you’re getting at here and I concur that this slacktivist movement is both idiotic and misandrist, but bringing it up on SRK, at least in this thread, is not doing anything. Either take it (back) to Twitter or make another thread for it in GD so this one doesn’t get derailed even further by you & others and Spirit Juice & Lord_Raptor and, to a slight degree, pherai just talking past each other.
Well I brought up it because the hashtag is a direct consequence of the incident.
The actual crime is more background noise now it seems at least going by how the media is handling it. Anyways if it seemed like I kept bringing it up it was only to address other people and their comments towards it. If everyone else feels the topic is sufficiently discussed then we can move on…although to be honest I don’t think there is much left to be said about Elliot that hasn’t already been said a dozen times before. His story is resolved and now were dealing with the consequences of his actions which is why I mentioned this movement.
Oh, good. This thread didn’t explode again when I turned away for a couple of hours.
Yes, as I said, I get why you initially posted it and I’m certainly not faulting you for that, even though the Winter Soldier thread showed me how stubborn you can be about your opinions at times. Similarly, I find it fair enough that you are of the opinion that there not really being anything else to say about Elliot himself. I think there’s still more to be said about reaction to him that isn’t currently caught him in heavily polarized, gendered politics, say with regards to how pick-up artists think “getting laid” would have “fixed” him. As for the guy himself, however, yeah he is basically as a shallow as both his feelings and his perception of “reality”.
Regardless, I’d still rather not derail thread further by talking about “#YesAllWomen”. It would be fine to continue to talk about if the people who disagreed on its validity were actually arguing with each other rather than even really arguing about the same thing. It’s not like Spirit Juice or Lord_Raptor are ever going to be able agree on you’re arguing since they don’t even see what you’re arguing about; I’m sure both of them feel the same way.
I mean, feel free to talk about “funny” things with regards to it the hashtag shit here. I don’t really want to censor what you’re saying by saying you can’t talk about it at all. I just don’t want to derail the topic further by talking about something that doesn’t actually have to do with the incident all, which is ironically why you brought it up in the first place. In bringing it up, you actually “fulfilled” their mission statement in a way by making the aftermath of this incident about a bunch of kunts instead of the actual victims.
So please keep the drama and stupidity confined to Twitter if you can. That or just make a thread for it and general misandry like someone already suggested. That’s all I’m asking, especially since talking about it here does nothing to compete its stupidity at either of sources: Twitter or in the general media.
Okay…and? I’m not trying to dismissive of how this affected you personally, but whether he started out a sociopath or eventually became sociopath-like due to neglect still does nothing to earn him sympathy. Plenty of people are sociopathic and even psychopathic without ever going to on kill anyone (directly); just look at all the probably sociopathic people who get into business world.
Similarly, being “understanding” towards it doesn’t really do anything to actually help or prevent it from happening to other people. If one really cares, then they would try to learn how to help people with trauma whether on a professional or non-professional level.
Just saying. Whether he was “just” psycho or traumatized into being one doesn’t really matter at this point unless a) there’s a way to actually, accurately determine the latter and b) either prevent or fix such trauma, especially as it is possibly induced by American culture.
It’s not that I don’t see what he’s arguing about, it’s that I don’t agree with it and that that he’s completely wrong in the manner. We’re not going to agree on the matter, and nor is anyone else in this thread that has different opinions, as someone else pointed out. Not going to bother posting about it anymore.
For the record, much of this thread, including myself, started talking about what could be the reasons why Rodgers did what he did. Misogyny was one of many topics. Some people got mad that misogyny was the focus of news media outlets, and then the thread wrote itself.
That’s all I’m asking, really: you to agree to disagree since none of you who disagree are going to change your minds on this issue at point, at least at this time.
I haven’t really been paying attention to the media on this anymore beyond the initial day, so I have to ask if misogyny is essentially all they’re focusing on? If so, then I can understand people getting mad if misogyny was the sole focus of the media since, as pointed out already, four of the six people who are already being overshadowed by this gendered spin were men and given this guy seemed to basically hate everyone. It’s just being presented as misogyny because people are, of course, focusing on the sexual aspect as always. This even though it’s debatable where he actually wanted to sleep with women or just felt that sleeping with women was way to be seen as successful or loved or given attention because that’s what society tells you.
This makes me curious enough to ask anything else: Have the typical scapegoats of video games or other media been brought up repeatedly yet? I know he supposedly played at least World of Warcraft and Pokemon and I could easily see the former being demonized here; the latter will probably only ever get demonized by PETA.
Similarly, would I be correct in assuming that the media has been pretty mum spinning at least the initial killings–the stabbings–as a hate crime or at least having a racist spin since this guy was more racist towards Asians than he was other “races”? I’d imagine it hasn’t come up at all since America is deeply uncomfortable with racism and it barely comes up when it’s whites towards blacks, much less whites towards some other minority group or some minority group towards another group. [/trying to change the subject away from talk of misandry]
This thread has run its course i think, in a good way. There are a couple things left, but eh. One last thing is its crazy that he ended up killing 3 nerdy asian roommates first, and only randomly came across the good looking young man towards the end of his spree that he shot in killed. All that yammering about good looking, cocky, guys who take all the women, and he killed 3 dudes that were likely virgins just like him, who couldnt get any action from any of those hot girls on campus. At the end of the day he was just a psychotic piece of shit, who couldnt even stick to the one thing he actually wanted to do.
Apparently he knocked on the sorority houses door really hard, and no one answered. 3 guns and tons of ammunition only to be stopped by a locked door that no one answered. Thats some M Knight Shamalam, “Signs”, shit. Thank god too. This kids just such a piece of shit, and his parents should just be shunned for a bit. Talk about an epic fail after all those red flags that they were aware of.
Im also done with that twitter shit. Most of those girls are just riding the cool train, and 70 to 80 percent of them will be back to posting dumb shit, and going out, getting drunk and doing stupid, dangerous shit again in a few weeks when all this dies down. The leftovers are scorn because of terrible things that happened to them by a man, or are just misandrist. They will have to work that out themselves, because if they cannot see how stupid and illogical theyre currently being, then not much will help until they want to be wrong, and then they will seek and find better answers to their questions.
Just gonna say RIP to those who were killed, and i hope a speedy recovery for those who survived. I couldnt imagine randomly dying like that out of nowhere because of a psycho, and i definitely couldnt imagine the fear in the last moments of his roommates lives as they got stabbed to death. I learned a few things from this, but most i already was aware and or cautious of beforehand. I hope eventually we can get over this battle of the sexes nonsense and start learning from what just happened.
The reaper comes for everyone one day, but hopefully i never have to go out at the hands of a psychopath on a rampage.
You haven’t explained your argument though and that’s ultimately where this thing started. Enough people here including myself have responded quite thoroughly to your propositions and have yet to see any compelling counter argument to retort our positions. If anything I’ve been saying on this thread is wrong then feel free to lay out my errors point by point.
@"The Damned" Ive made my arguments and feel strongly they are accurate and irrefutable. If anyone feels I’m in the wrong ill gladly take them up their arguments. Until then I’ll leave the topic alone unless it’s otherwise brought up to me directly.
Strongest man, decent to a fault, even lying to keep a dead enemy soldiers girlfriends hope alive even though it was against his knightly code and the world went to shit. naw youre right hes too ideal. Too good. decent would be Locke I just think the ideal is what you should strive for that way you land in the Locke or Edgar territory and everything would go better than expected.
Oh also in regards to the girl band wagon hoppers. Those people are mainly the academia, intelegentsia types who love to push for this kinda shit in college the only problem is and as Ive told them, before as in most of the campaigns or what have you they dont matter in the real world. And if you find yourself in this situation and are offended by what I have said, once you enter the real world and leave the bubble of Academia do not let your heart be troubled for here in this cold bleak wasteland we call the real world, no one cares, and those social programs you sacrificed for matter not at all. But take heart for you, yes you and how you carry yourself will be the determining factor of how much decency you can muster up in your life time and who knows, you may be able to impact the life of one person and at that point perhaps all of that shit you learned might be able to make a mark upon another. Or perhaps not at all.
I believe there is a gross misleading of women when they press for bullshit words like patriarchy and rape culture 3rd, 4rth, 5th, 6th, wave feminism and shit like that. Or my favorite tolerance/and progressiveness. Fuck I hate both of those labels Tolerance of everything and yet the people that usually push such ideas into the realm of ideas are usually the most intolerant least progressive of all as well as the most close minded as well. That is truly a shame, as well as disheartening.
