Naeras
9261
Nah. Nobody cares.
The only actual argument I’ve heard against macros is “but what if you’ll play at teh arcades bruh”, which you probably won’t =V
I actually think Ky has an advantage against most of, if not all, the characters I didn’t specifically mention in my last post. Nothing truly polarizing (though he’s a bitch to beat with May), but still.
Yeah he might, but I feel it’s probably a slight advantage, maybe a 6-4, although I don’t play him so I can’t say definitively. I just meant by design his worst MU may be like 4-6 and his best 6-4, because he is a balance type character. Whereas a character like I-No probably beats Pot 7-3 and then loses to Axl 3-7, Ky in general doesn’t have many MU like that, at least not to my knowledge, maybe a Ky player could say for sure
Naeras
9263
I mained him for like 8 months (when I was profoundly terrible at the game as opposed to now, when I’m merely bad) and still pick him from time to time, though the last three months have been mostly May and now likely Venom. Do I count then? =p
And yeah, nothing I can think of is truly lopsided either way. Possibly Axl (enhanced stun edge seems pretty dumb in this MU), but I haven’t ever played that matchup.
I probably watch more Xrd tournament footage than I do play the game so…what’s your point? My opinion is based on what I see not my match experience.
Again, this is how I feel. No need for you to ride my rump about my opinion on two equally skilled characters. Disagree and call it a day or have a discussion simple as that…
This is relevant because you’re talking about what it’s like to play against Ky vs. what it’s like to play against Millia, and it’s clear that you don’t really have any relevant matchup experience against either. You are no position to try to make the arguments you make lmao
The discussion is over already because it’s been reduced to the same points being repeated constantly. So at this rate we might as well ask about your credibility, which, unsurprisingly, is bad.
Playing is a very different experience from watching. Not that watching doesn’t help you learn things about the game (watching match footage is a thing after all) but some things you don’t get until you actually experience it yourself. And since you clearly have not played a decent Ky/Millia ever, I suggest you go seek one out so you can understand other people’s arguments.
Ok. Your opinion. Cool. Moving on.
Y’know there are things called “uneducated opinions” but whatever dude. You can stay in your armchair.
You wanna keep calling me names or what? It’s nothing argue about here I feel how I feel about Ky and you feel how you feel about Millia. I say he’s better you say he’s not I mean really what is the issue. I think Millia has worse oki mid screen you say she doesn’t, I say he’s top 3 after patch you say he’s not what’s the deal…
You don’t have to be a Capcom pro tour champion to spectate and watch and analyze match footage and form your own opinion based on tier lists. A month ago drunkard was saying Kum felt top tier now he’s apparently potemp tier so again…lets have a discussion less name calling that shit drain me thanks in advance
What names did I call you rofl
I’m not talking about being a Capcom Pro Tour Champion, I’m saying that without the basic experience of playing against a strong Ky/Millia you really aren’t in any position to talk about why it’s rougher to play against one or the other.
Tetsuro
9271
Stating that it is your “opinion” or “how you feel” doesn’t suddenly make it a valid argument. Tier lists aren’t based on opinion, they’re based on tournament results and the tools characters have within the context of the game. You can hold the opinion that the Ford Fiesta is a better car than the Nissan Skyline, but every measurable piece of data would say you’re wrong.
But I never said that.
Original discussion was Ky okizeme vs Millia okizeme, then it went into Millias trade off for good oki being bad neutral, at which point that we establish that Millias buttons are “my opinion”
And it was well-established that Millia oki is far better than Ky oki, even if Ky’s is more “braindead”. Also there’s the fact that Millia neutral is in no way bad, just harder than Ky’s.
If you had actually played against Millias or Kys, you would understand better, and perhaps be able to form more educated opinions as a result.
Again, stay in the armchair if you really want to.
Again you are entitled to what you feel I am entitled to what I feel. If you want to re-word “better” to “less hard” then yes Ky’s neutral is less hard. But that doesnt make how you feel more factual.
Millia and Ky being arguably top 5 character in the game as of 1.3 god forbid a debate on whos better, and my logic being the one who has better buttons (ky) then I dont see why its so necessary to get up in arms.
This is a discussion board, we discuss things. I read what you said, I can peacefully respond to what you said without belittling you, name-calling, or being dismissive and condescending because I dont agree. These discussions help everyone when they arent insulting and obnoxious.
And another thing, never once did I claim to be amazing in the game. But thats doesnt mean I cant have an opinion on the game especially if keep up with match footage and tournament brackets. I dont have to consistently lose to good Ky players to “understand” the character so give me a break. Thats like saying you cant be a spectator on a sport unless youre a professional player, so I despise whoever brought that narrative up because it is truly some BS.
But I’ll go ahead and let some you win. Millia is the better character, this isnt up for debate. Even though tiers are subjective and if we are tipping the scales on fine points like damage, ease of use, okizeme and neutral, Its just funny to me how I am “so wrong” when we are talking about two of the best characters in the game but whatevz.
I never said Kum felt top tier wtf; I said he felt like a strong character and that it would take some time for people to unlock his potential. Furthermore, I’m not even sure how that’s relevant since Kum was a completely new character, whereas Millia and Ky are well established and it’s known what they can and can’t do
Dont remember. Paraphrased a bit, either way my point was that was your perception of the character early on. Where Ky stands at 1.3 is still up in the air as well, old character or not you posted tech gave an observation, theory for your claims… etc etc
zenzen
9277
running down the list:
millia matchup isn’t too bad, but it’s definitely slanted in her favor. you can’t really move around with her or jump, but if you catch her you get a bunch of damage at least. things also get easier if pin is down.
don’t have enough xp w/ bedman but i’ve seen ky players say it’s bedman favor and bedman players say it’s ky favor.
chipp is imo one of ky’s 2 serious problem matchups, along with faust. really hard to press buttons in neutral against him, and practically impossible when he has 25 meter. i personally just sit back and see how chipp plays, then try my best to adapt to it. jump back H is pretty good because also OSes an air throw if done at the right time + spacing vs s/h teleport.
i don’t think johnny or raven cleanly beat ky in neutral. johnny can give ky issues with f.S/2S but it’s not insurmountable, try to space yourself well. raven air dash gives ky issues at close ranges but otherwise his buttons aren’t big issues. some buttons can be blown up hard if you’re really confident (ex: greed sever over 2H) but it’s just another case of spacing well and you can control neutral.
faust buttons are really strong and you have to take a lot of risks vs him, and forcing ky to play aggressive with those big buttons is really hard to deal with. i hate this matchup so much lol
as for el and sin:
ky-el was probably dead even back in 1.02 and probably now leans ky favor because of nerfs to S, but i also haven’t played the matchup
ky-sin felt pretty even in 1.02 imo and probably still is. sin does the same stuff as before, just with less damage and can’t use beak driver in neutral as much.
zato MUs is probably even as well; particularly with zato you can deal with eddie really well (sniping with air S stun edge, puddles aren’t too big of an issue to kill, and 2S is a really strong eddie killer), and if you get in i’d argue that zato doesn’t deal with ky pressure terribly well. although things get sticky if you get hit, but that’s the case with everyone.
sol is probably even, but i don’t have enough experiences w/ sol to formulate a solid opinion.
Also I don’t know who said he’s “Potemkin tier” but I’m not sure I agree, at least not yet. Maybe in time he will end up there, but he still seems a but unexplored to say for sure. For instance I’m seeing 5D tech just coming out (using 5D to negate I-No note, negate Ky super, get out of Elph unblockables, etc). I wouldn’t say he’s top tier or even upper tier, but it seems like he has the tools to be viable
I really don’t think he is because he has more moves that tell the oppponent “Don’t do that”, can apply pretty safe oki and can iad to punish mistakes. Those projectiles have a lot of mind-game potential. He also can wipe out over half your life from mid-screen (charged Four Tigers loop).
If only the spinning ground version of Four Tigers was fully projectile-invulnerable and air Falcon Dive was faster and an overhead…
“It’s just my opinion man, opinions can’t be wrong”
Again, I’m not asking you to become a top player. I’m asking you to actually play the game. Plus shit like this
Is why I seriously doubt you pay any real attention to the scene as a whole. I think practically EVERYWHERE else people would disagree with you.
