Oh god. Now Cisco enters.You guys are Bimmy and Jimmy Lee. Guess which one’s Bimmy. :tdown:
The reason why no one is staying on topic is because no one actually cares. They would stay on topic if i was the one debating. You should remember the past threads and how it only became hot due to my posts. Fishjiz is not even posting frequent, he’s probably a member of another forum now and that’s because he is searching for something he can’t feel in this board anymore. If this was me arguing, he would have probably posted once or twice now, but he is not interested. You, Starvin, are not even interested in you. I am the only one capable of making and doing these debates. I am the best poster ever in religion debates. When Shoryuken sees a religion thread here, the immediate poster that comes to their mind is me. Not you. I am actually under suspicion that Fishjiz’ relgion bashing behavior was only for the purpose of resummoning me because i have been out for so long and the GD is losing posts.
Others have tried going this religion debate route in the past, from Soo mighty to even Fishjiz during the early years but Fishjiz couldn’t get attention in the christian boat because every one was focusing on me so he jumped ship for the sake of getting some rep and likes you ma likely end up like him if i so happen developed the interest of actually participating in this debate because your posts will be over shadowed by mine.
I don’t even remember you so i am confused if you are an old poster or just one of the guys in gamefaqs who went over here because every body was passing around my great threads from here. Oh ya, it happened… i’ve been in gfaqs recently and the people there wanted to know more about me and some of the posters there started showing links to my old great shoryuken threads.
You see, this is why nobody takes you seriously, as a seriously delusional fuckwit, and instead lump you in with the mentally babydick trolls.
The thread has already BEEN derailed.
You derailed the thread, yourself.
Gtfo, if you truly want the thread to steer out of the fetid waters of trolldom.
This, and trolls like Cisco is the reason why it’s useless trying to engage in an intellectual debate on the net. People just like you will just nit pick and throw profanity blanket insults. What is the reason actually i really wish you would point out what is wrong with my post instead of just going thr the trouble of insulting because it just seems you just wanted to post something.
For the sake of that Einstein topic: Einstein never had anything nice to say about Theists and Atheists. I’m done with the thread if this is going to continue on with Einstein and not the original topic i had with Fishjie.
Back on topic, I don’t get how greek mythology died out, I mean come on Son of god who went around healing and stuff vs son of god who went around alternatingly beating the shit out of or capturing various mythological creatures, should have been no contest for which story gets passed down the most.
In a word?
Politics.
why should go into details about my personal being? people are too hung up on finding the source and stopping there.
I’ll say something about this thread though, I’ve already mentioned Greek mythology being hidden inside popular media, popular media helps herd in the politics and social consciousness. we still have wars because there is an agenda within western consciousness that acts as an illusive religion.
it makes me laugh how people are so blind to things like this, atheism is just as bad as any religion and most likely worse, because it has an illusive agenda in its matrix.
religious discussions fail because you’re all a bunch of goldfishes.
DONT QUOTE THIS BTW
I did read it carefully. It seems rather obvious that YOU did not read both of OURS carefully. I’m not arguing that Einstein did not believe in a personal god, I’m arguing the reason for his non-acceptance of a personal god.
No, he’s not talking about a god equation. I now believe that he’s referring to the cosmological constant and he probably read all of that misinformation from this creationist website here: http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html
Which states:
“In developing the theory of relativity, Einstein realized that the equations led to the conclusion that the universe had a beginning. He didn’t like the idea of a beginning, because he thought one would have to conclude that the universe was created by God. So, he added a cosmological constant to the equation to attempt to get rid of the beginning. He said this was one of the worst mistakes of his life. Of course, the results of Edwin Hubble confirmed that the universe was expanding and had a beginning at some point in the past. So, Einstein became a deist - a believer in an impersonal creator God”
Well this is also wrong. The reason he didn’t like a beginning is not because of a possible implication of god but because his general theory of relativity works best in a static universe, which obeys Mach’s principle. I honestly do not know how, but this website also concludes that Einstein became a deist because of the mistake of the cosmological constant (which wasn’t a mistake, as it turned out). But then, I can’t really expect academic integrity from a site with a clear and purposeful agenda. I really hope sources such as this aren’t where some of you people are getting your information from, but when I read your posts, it’s exactly the feeling I get.
Read my response to cisco. I did research his last equation and very little came up. Actually, I’m now convinced that you have no clue what you’re talking about when you mention anything scientific. If you’re not referring to his cosmological constant blunder as in that website that I sourced, then you must be talking about his failed attempt at unifying the four interactive forces - electromagnetic, strong and weak nuclear and gravitational force, and its reconcilliation with quantum theory.
And this goes to you too, cisco:
Instead of accepting the mounting evidence in favour of quantum theory which in ways does not line up with a unified field theory, Einstein continued to push forward anyway in trying to tie the forces together. Now here’s my point: he stubbornly worked towards a unified field theory not because he held a belief in god, as you guys have claimed, but because he preferred a universe that was much simpler than the one afforded by quantum mechanics. He wouldn’t accept indeterminacy.
Notice how when I make scientific claims, I’m always sure to include exact terms and phrases so that other people may research these claims? I’d appreciate it if you would do the same so that I can continue to call you out on your peddling of bullshit.
And again, I just want to make it clear that I don’t really care whether Einstein believed in god or what kind of god because what he personally believed has no bearing on the truth. But it pisses me off when pseudo-facts and pseudo-science masquerade as truth as always the case on these intelligent design or creationist websites. Relativity theory did not make him believe in god! His passion and appreciation for science and our feeble understanding of the universe is what made him believe in god.
I think Hitchens and Harris are more than worthy folks to have a discussion with Craig, but a debate style format certainly works to Craigs favour. What’s wrong with his 5 arguments you ask? Well one of them is that the resurrection of Jesus provides evidence for god. He uses a fucking unsubstantiated claim as evidence for god. Anyway, I’m not interested in talking about his debates. I think he’s a very good orator and that he’s excellent at driving his points across, but in the end, his points unconvincing. Disagree if you wish.
BTW, I LOVE how cisco first claims that Einstein never said that belief in a personal god was childish, but then when goodmourning quotes a source he back peddles and then claims, “OH! My bad! Well he only said that before working on relativity!”. Again, you probably got this wrong information from that stupid creationist website that I posted. If this isn’t the case then by all means, please prove otherwise. I’d love to see it.
You are wrong. But first you missed the whole point of the Einstein debate that i brought. The main point of it was to show that the theory of a Mastermind is scientifically evident. Fishjie and I were argue about academics being able to prove and disapprove something and he response that it can be approved/disapproved in a mathematical sense. Einstein
[LEFT]believed there was a divine intelligence behind the laws of nature and that was all due to building of the theory of relativity, all his equations showed him that the universe started and there had to be an external source. [/LEFT]
Einstein’s last and unfinished equation is the Unified theory. The theory was to understand/read the mind of God. This is from a quote from dying Einstein’s
“I want to know God’s thoughts” - Einstein
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/tvradio/programmes/horizon/einstein_symphony_prog_summary.shtml
Professor Michio Kaku (one of Dawkin’s colleagues) under the “what drew you to Physics” question. You can watch or read short video of his interview.
http://bigthink.com/ideas/19048
"An equation one inch long that will allow us to read the mind of God. That was the project that Albert Einstein set forth."
Yes i disagree, the reason why is because Craig’s arguments made him win against big names so he has every right to keep repeated the said 5 same arguments, those same 5 arguments manage to pwn anyway. It isn’t unsubstantiated at all it’s pure sociology logic.
Cisco (who obviously just came here to troll) and goodmorning are half and half right. Einstein didn’t have a good opinion on the belief in a personal god yet at the same time he had allot of respect for Jesus additionally, he never had anything nice to say about Atheists either so i don’t understand the point of this part.
looks at thread title
And you didn’t?
Is it just me or did the text in this thread suddenly get bigger?
Nope. I came in to respond to Fishjie’s religion bashing.
You see him as bashing religion.
I see a gentle soul working as an assisted living helper for the rationally challenged.
I see him as a soul trying to bring me back to this board or probably has allot of anger from the defeats i gave him in past religion debates. I am the only person who is known for religion debating in Shoryuken and obviously religion bashing would normally bring me in to a thread.
Fishjiz and Marvin are both wrong (except for the Einstein part). The rest is just a bunch of talented self-rational pro-atheist bullshit. If i wanted to i could easily have the 3 of you triple team together to try to refute me and still intellectually smack the 3 of you around for free.
This thread went exactly the direction I predicted.
I am pleased.
I heard on History Channel that Adam couldn’t keep it in his fig leaf. Cheated on Lilith with Morrigan or some shit.
In Judaism myth, Lilith came before Eve and Lilith later became a demon or something.
I never said it like that. I said that Einstein made those statements before he made the relativity not that he never made them at all. Please don’t try me because you will seriously lose to me in thread/topic like this.
weren’t the gods stronger than the titans?
Fixed for accuracy.
Didn’t she fuck around with Cain, before settling down with Lu?