Greek 'Mythology' vs the other religions

I’m not sure manliness needs to be restored when I can only think of like 2 female members tops on this site.

I have read a great deal of greek mythology. I really enjoyed the Iliad, and I particularly enjoyed the character Hector. He was a complete badass and seemed much more of a man of duty and honor than Achilles. But in greek mythology half-Gods>>>>Humans for free, all day.

Also, how did a greek mythology thread devolve into a religious debate?

Read the OP, (paraphrased) “Greek Mythology is fake, why do the other less cool fake mythologies get believers?”

It’s not really about Greek myth, its another guy thinking he’s slipping in clever shot about religion

Oh I was hoping we could talk about something interesting rather than beating a dead horse, so I did not read OP.

I will totally enter into a conversation with you about Greek mythology!

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LMAO, saying that the bible doesn’t contain contradictions or scientific errors does not mean they do not. You’re not even trying anymore son. Like I said, you don’t possess intellectual honesty, plus you’re kinda dumb too :lol: but at least you’re a good troll. At no point did you ever address any of my contradictions in a coherent manner. Make a poll for all you want, but I can tell you who everyones going to vote for. I know you’re desperate for the approval of SRK, but they like me more. sorry buddy.

No, I’m showing that religion provides no value when it comes to making people moral. At best, people who are moral, continue to be moral with religious beliefs. At worst, religion makes people horrible hypocrites. Learn to read pls.

And i brought up the point that communism operated as a religion by making their leaders deities. like kim jong il. and that’s why religions are evil, because they gain their power through the ignorance of their followers.

Wrong, religions are very different. Stop being ignorant. Xenu detonating hydrogen bombs is vastly different from a god who sent himself to earth, but who was also his own father, to die as a sacrifice to himself, in order to save us, from himself.

Wrong. Tao is not a divine being. Tao is the way. Do not try to infuse western style religious beliefs into an eastern religion. Please pick up any book on the tao te ching and read about it, they do not have the concept of a personal deity.

of course i read the bible completely, the errors are plain as day to see, because I don’t have delusional fundie glasses. I know you’re just trolling me so I don’t even take your replies seriously, because you don’t believe any of this shit either.

You and I are OG SRKers. It is fun to relive the old times. Although my trolling beats your trolling because I’m smarter than you. Sorry.

Good and evil only exist with respect to humans. They are not physical entities that exist (sorry Plato) somewhere off in space. They’re just concepts that exist in people’s brains. If we all died tomorrow, there would be no more “good” or “evil”. Because our brains have evolved empathy, we developed morals. Humans are social animals, so stuff that causes discord such as murder and robbing are frowned upon in most cultures, and stuff that promotes teamwork is considered good. If we did not evolve in such a way, we would never have needed to invent the concepts of “good” or “evil”. If you look at various animals that evolved some level of intelligence, you can see they have a rudimentary system of ethics as well. http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/12/09/empathic-rats-spring-each-other-from-jail/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NotRocketScience+(Not+Exactly+Rocket+Science)

Anyway I’m just repeating what I said in my previous post btw.

So as you can see, there is no need for a supernatural being in order to come up with the concepts of “good” or “evil”. Besides, those terms are very naive, because most situations that arise today are shades of gray. And besides, if you are christian (I’m guessing so because your rhetoric smells like a christian), then your absolute moral lawgiver condones genocide, slavery, and infanticide, so by virtue of your beliefs, you can’t possibly believe in absolute morality either. the biblegod’s morals are “might makes right”.

You’ve compeletely missed my point bro. The question of evil and good revolves around value and worth. My question was… if our origin is “nothing” than objectively we have no value. So morality is a complete lie because to do wrong, you must have violate or offend a person of value. But we have no intrinsic value if we just evolved from time, matter, and chance. So if thats the case you’re actually judging “God’s morality” with lies… in your worldview. Seeing as how evil and good do not exist in your worldview what exactly are your reasons for bringing up genocides, etc. to make God seem evil if in your world view we have no value? killing a man is neither wrong or right because you’ve killed a being of no value.

I’m basically on your side in this whole thing, but I’ve gotta say, life can be considered to have intrinsic value even without any question of morality.

At the very worst you can judge living things based on the good and harm they do.

See but u got it a lil backwards bro. Intrinsic value determines morality…not the other way around. Harm and Good depends on how valuable the person you affect is. But according to his worldview we have no value, so objectively morality doesnt exist. There is no good or evil because we are of no value. The only way for us to have intrinsic worth is if we were giving worth from a transcendant, valuable, intrinsically worthy first cause by which we have value. But that is not the case in his world view so that is why Im raising the question… why does he keep bringing up morality? why does he believe in evil or good if he hates the idea of living a lie? He’s being inconsistent.

Well you can solipsism as the baseline.

“How does this thing that exists positively or negatively effect me?”

It’s a morally reprehensible position of course, but it’s a logical way to judge somethings intrinsic value.


As to why he keeps bringing up morality, its because he's an internet atheist, and they're all about trained responses.  He's just saying what he's supposed to.  Consistency and thought have absolutely nothing to do with it.

:open_mouth: The S word

Oh so Tao is really god right? Even though most asians don’t adhere to any monotheistic belief systems considering they’re rich history of polytheism?

The only Tao you’re talking about is the Tao of getting on people’s nerves. Yeah amazing insult, I know.

Hows this, Taoism also certainly isn’t atheistic.

Specifically ancestor worship, the veneration of immortals, along with the traditional beliefs in alchemy and magic.

That’s actually Shintoism in Japan, although I’m sure it happens in China in the form of Confucianism.

Of course you will have the majority of votes, this site is atheist biased. Get over your scientific errors and contradictions nonsense. The answer was given, the literacy shows that thinking of it as contradictions is uneducated.

Scientific errors is an even dumber argument because the majority of those “scientific errors” are verses of poems in the bible. And how can any of the books written in an ancient laguage that all date between BC-early AD have any science words/descriptions in it?

You have this attitude that we should take the bible completely literate in isolation with out considering it’s social, historical and culture context of that time and take only one version with out checking out the greek or hebrew just to assure the accuracy of certain vocabularies. You use arguments that intelligent atheists stopped using because of the knowing how the bible is supposed to be handled.

LOL. You’ve pointed me out as a non-believer due to the posts about sex, violence, anger, etc etc. So logically that means you are telling me that i shouldn’t be showing these things because of being a Christian and this does not fit in well with this part in your second sentence
Get over it and stop trying to alter your premise just to save yourself from being exposed as self-contradictory, none of your past “you’re a hypocrite” comments fits in with your second sentence. .

It’s still out of context to what was being talked about, you are making a diverse point to shoot your way out of the context you can’t respond to accurately. Anyway, Stalin and Kim didn’t make themselves actual Deities in their community. What are you talking about? :lol:
Stalin, Kim, and the others posted here committed those murders all due to atheistic views so the** point of all of that** is it’s hypocritical to make religion as the only thing that caused historic murders because Atheism has the same hand. Therefore the illogical generalizing is fits in well here.

Xenu is not a god in Scientology, he is actually like their Satan not their God, stop bringing in more invalid shit.

Second: "who was also his own father:" You don’t understand Christian beliefs.lol I’m hoping that you do misrepresent christianity beliefs intentionally than actually thinking your arguments are close to accurate.

All religions have philosophic similarities in their fundamentals, it’s just their view, relationship and identification of this higher power is different.

You are wrong. There are two Tao’s in Taoism, and the context you presented early was a contexts about gods so obviously i am referring to Tao (Pro noun). You even brought this up on my post about religion and Taoist is a philosophy not a religion, lol…

Nigga please. You even said that according to the bible, the universe was created on the first day. Read it my ass. You even got the bible’s first sentence wrong. The contradictions was already answered, there is no sense for them to be contradictions because of the system in canonization you are just lacking the ability of accepting them as different portrayals. You haven’t shown anything but a huge misrepresentation of religion and christiantiy.

Call yourself whatever you want Fishjiz to make yourself feel better but from Tao, Xenu, the misrepresentation of Christianity/Bible, the self-contradiction with the morality part, etc etc… that speaks on it’s own.

Just shut up already and stop trying.:lol: You have debunked again. I already gave my outro and i have other great posts that other threads in the gd need. You are a waste of my time…

Fishjie and Cisco are the only reason I click on this thread.

Please don’t lock this thread.

yes!!

you were MADE for this thread.

or … this thread was made for you???

:pray:

I looked it up before I posted, just to be sure.

(Laozi in the quote being Lao Tzu, the guy credited with founding Taoism)

I strive for accuracy, its a geek thing ><