Ghostbusters II Part 2 - The Sequel

(climbs back in through broken window)

Geez, this movie already did relatively horribly in the U.K. and Australia and it’s only to be worse next week. I wonder what country besides idiotic America it will do the best in at this rate since China indeed apparently banned it, which I’ll admit made me smile just at the pure irony given I usually loathe China’s policy on most things but it’s nice to see this blow up in SONY, Feig, and McCarthy’s faces.

Also, after reading both of the Roeper articles that were linked to, including his actual review of the movie, I’m pretty sure that even if it wasn’t for the stupid, mostly faux controversy surrounding this movie and even the fact that it honestly seems almost as Lifetime-esque as Teeth that I wouldn’t have liked this movie. Not because it’s all women as leads, but because it seems like almost everyone important save for Hemsworth is from SNL, even apparently the forgettable villain who played Rowan. I just have never found SNL funny whatsoever, so the comedy in this movie, which seems to be channeling that for whatever reason, would have just likely fell flat with me even without the vague misandry and large amount of other issues this movie possesses.

What idiot (besides Feig) thought that it was a good idea Ghostbusters to become an all-female version of any SNL movie spin off given those never do well in the first place? Who wanted A Ghostly Night at the Roxbury?

I don’t expect the movie to do well overseas. Comedy doesn’t translate well to the international market like an action movie. Differences in culture and language will make it difficult.

It’s quite interesting that in spite of how anti-male the media campaign has been for the movie only 56% of the audience was female. It seems the desperate grab towards the female audience didn’t work all that well.

^How utterly unshocking this entire drama unfolded. In short time it will also be completely forgotten and fade into obscurity, as well it should.

No it wont, Hollywood has a 3x the budget rule to be considered profitable. By that criteria it wont be but they are going to cling to this POS scream sexist until they make a sequel, when it opens with $68 in the UK they will get the hint and tired of throwing away money to make a point.

(You didn’t have to quote all or even any of that, Hawkingbird, especially when my post is literally directly above yours.)

That said, indeed. Comedy is the probably hardest of the genres to translate internationally in general. Hell, Comedy is the probably hardest of the genre to translate intranationally. [/not a real word, I know]

I was just morbidly curious and wondering “aloud” like I did when I wondered a similar thing while replying to SlayerofBodom.

Anyway, I’m quoting this to intentionally bring Alachia’s video to the next page after having watched it. I basically completely agree with everything she said, especially since we seem to have the same sense of humor or, at the very least, we both don’t find SNL humorous at all.

Movie is not doing well on latin america.

LOL Ghostbusters theaters need some serious ghost busting because ghosts took all the seats!

http://i.imgur.com/uhKcnEK.jpg

She said she had to pretend to get the joke because people beside her were checking her. That’s not possible. The theaters were empty, LOL

I didn’t know about Alachia until I came across her old video explaining that Sony deleted comments from popular female youtubers in the Ghostbusters trailer so that the public would only see the bad rating as a misogynist attack instead of bad reception from all across the board.

I like her videos so far. Think I might subscribe.

I’ll write more later but,

Ghostbusters is fucking terrible. The issues with it though, are the not the women’s fault. had I not been in theaters I would’ve just turned it off. Matter of fact I wanted to walk out of the movie.

Will explain more later.

(We all told you it was a senseless sacrifice, Pertho. :coffee: )

Now that you’ve needlessly, masochistically scratched that itch, I eagerly await lurid tales of your suffering and displeasure once you return. Please do try not to keep us waiting too long though.

Let’s start with the big one: If you think this movie is good, you’re a fucking moron. I have no other way to put it. Nothing was right about this movie except for, strangely enough, the casting. After watching it I firmly believe that there is a script where you still get these 4 women and you have a good Ghostbusters movie. This one though, is just bad. It isn’t okay, it isn’t middling, this movie is fucking bad. I’m going to stream of concious this shit because the only thing I could say was that I hated it. I don’t mean like “hate” it, I mean that my brain didn’t let me say any other sentence. The theater was packed and I hated the people that packed it, I hated the people that laughed at all the terrible mistimed humor…Matter of fact there were three little girls that walked out super happy out of the move and I fucking hated them too; you know what I still hate those three little bitches and how shitty they’re gonna grow up to be because of this movie.

This movie is bad because the writing is bad. You are allowed to hate Paul Feig. There is one important detail the original ghostbusters has that this one doesn’t: it was written by two of the actors who starred in it. This may seem more like a footnote than anything until you consider what it does for the performances. The people writing the comedy, which was dry at times and also made good use of a straight man, were the people involved in acting it out. Scenes were written with the delivery in mind. This matters because everybody has natural rhythms to how they speak; funny has a rhythm to it too. There were a handlful of scenes that managed to nail the cast’s rhythm for the jokes. Why only a few? Because the people telling the jokes aren’t writing them. Pretty sure that if you let Wiig, McCarthy and Jones rewrite things so that it fits their styles better, you have an overall funnier movie. This is evident in the few scenes where it seems that they all nail the why of their character and then it goes back to the same shit. There are a few scenes where you see what could’ve been and then it falls apart again.

The movie also went in with an agenda. The big issue in Ghostbusters is that you have these random people being ghostbusters and shit is crazy. In this version, too much of it feels like its about these women proving they can be ghostbusters. These jokes fall flat the majority of the time. Only one that really worked was in the beginning they put up a video on youtube. Wiig’s character reads one of the comments and it says “Ain’t no bitches gonna bust ghosts.” That joke works for a couple of reasons: 1) sure there are people who don’t believe women can do anything, 2) but dealing with bullshit comments on the internet is a shared experience. That pervades the movie too much to the detriment of the actresses. Its a part of the female experience, I get that. Unfortunately all it does is make for shitty scenes that constantly tell you that these are women trying to do it rather than these are 4 smart people doing it. Shit man, you could’ve written a script about capable people and they happen to be these four women but instead they went with look at these four women ooh and they are also totally scientists and they still have to do with bullshit. It almost seems like the script was written after they announced it was going to be four women instead of already having a good idea of what four women ghostbusting looks like (shit sucks but it’ll look a lot like 4 men ghostbusting for a lot of it). blah.

So we have Hemsworth, Jones and McKinnon. Hemsworth played a moron receptionist that’s supposed to be hot but all that they gave him to do was ass. They could’ve easily had the dolt thing worked but punted it hard. McKinnon was legitimately cooning. I don’t know how you get a scientist character to coon for science but that’s what it was. Einstein Bojangles is all that you really get from this character. The entire movie she basically does with the smirk of “Isn’t my character so fucking cool, look at me being so cool and funny and building shit”. Leslie Jones character also falls hard because they just let Leslie Jones do Leslie Jones shit; which amounts to really shit OH LOL I’M SO BLACK I DO THINGS THIS WAY. What makes this even more terrible is that there are parts where you go “oh shit, right on this is gonna be a legit character.” Patty (jones’ character) knows a lot about the history of the city. There are times where she is informative about a lot of random NYC history that three scientists wouldn’t know. Unfortunately this never gets used to good effect. It would’ve been easy to give her some lines where she has an interaction like:

“Oh hell no”
“What’s wrong patty?”
“We can’t do X, Y or Z here because this happened.”

She gets to do this twice but it doesn’t combine her humor with the character. So you get Patty and you get Leslie Jones in scenes. This, as much as many of the things that happened in this movie, are a disservice to the actress/actor. McKinnon is still the worst because you could easily have merged all that she did with Jones’ character and the movie would’ve gone on in the same way. The original ghostbusters wasn’t a paragon of character development mind you, but a lot of these characters were flatter than Taylor Swift’s ass. Raz0r would’ve been all over these flats if they were in tight jeans.

The special effects weren’t bad. They have that weird bright motiff that can be off putting to some. The real issue is that a lot of the ghosts made no sense. Why is there a gargoyle “ghost” flying around a metal concert? who died there and why do they get to be gargoyle? What’s up with the guy on stilts? Did he die with stilts on? How the hell are there ghosts of the Thanksgiving Day Parade balloons?

None of that shit makes sense. As a matter of fact, it makes as much sense as the fact that they were killing ghosts. That’s also something that’s even shittier. Weird aside so you understand why I’m extra bothered by it. A lot of the stuff aimed at girls isnt “cool”. Anything that has women doing cool things is great. Doesn’t really matter what it is, sometimes people need to know that they can. This is why it feels like its pandering. I didn’t understand this until I handed a student one of my M:TG decks that had a signed card in it. Told her it was signed by a pro player I beat, she asked me what HIS name was and I told the girl that HER name was Melissa De Tora. During that tiny conversation it hadn’t occurred to her that she could be playing magic or be successful at it (of course this with caveats M:TG isn’t a damn career but still). So the really shitty part is that the women go into this huge scene where they are going to fuck some shit up and its all supposed to look cool. It all looks like shit. None of it was fucking cool. It was the force type of cool. The type of cool that borders on corny. The “lets give everybody a moment with all these bullshit gadgets we made this character with no character make up because she is the cool scientists and now this needs to lead somewhere otherwise things make even less sense” type of cool. Instead we get some bleh moment where they are basically killing ghosts and a bunch of shit doesn’t make sense. We get ghost grenades, ghost shotgun, ghost dual weilding hand guns and ghost fragging and it all looks really damn lame.

Rowan was okay. OG ghostbusters don’t have the world’s best explained villain either and it doesn’t fully detract from the movie. What we do get in the OG Ghostbusters is that the men get to be successful Ghostbusters getting calls and all that other fun. Female ghostbusters get stuck trying to be women who are ghostbusters. You know what, they needed and deserved to get that same success as in the original script. They should’ve shown them establishing themselves and all that other fun. Instead we get that this is supposed to be the movie that establishes things because people want that Marvel multi year swag.

This movie is all sorts of ass and it hurts everybody. It hurts long time fans because they got a bad movie from a franchise they really loved, new people because this movie is fucking ass, and it really hurts the four women who have been taking massive amounts of shit that was undue to them. Its funny because Paul Feig went out of his way to make sure he delivered on all of the reasons why we were worried it’d be four women at the helm. But the problem is that the four women weren’t the problem: it was one man promising to spite millions of fans for not being hype for 4 women.

Blame all of this on Paul Feig. He is basically the sole reason why everything went to shit every for everything. Literally written and directed by a guy wanting to fucking ruin everyting. I’m sure I have more vitriol for random things in this movie but I’m out of steam at the moment. Little girls like it so YaY I guess. Oh and morons, my theater was packed but only half the audience laughed at anything. they are the reason why my city sucks major dick, that half of the audience can go drown itself the next time it rains here.

I should add some context to the above review. For a couple of years now My wife and I have a day called “bad beer, bad movie” where we drink bad beer and watch bad movies with some friends. Why is it this way? Well because fuck you that’s why and its fun. Counting MST3K episodes, we’ve seen an incredibly amount of truly awful movies. Plan 9 from Outer Space, Santa Claus Conquers The Martian (personal favorite), Snakes on a Plane, Lucy, The Room etc. I’ve seen enough terrible movies to melt brains.

The thing about this movie is that its a special type of bad. Part of the joy in watching bad movies is that we all fail. Fucking up is incredibly human and to some extent there is a shared experience in watching a fuck up. In a lot of ways some movies fuck up forward in that they end up being incredibly entertaining terrible movies (The Room is hilarious). You may not be able to say a movie is bad, but some terrible movies can be really entertaining (Pain and Gain some how manages it with how ridiculous the dialogue is at time).

I wouldn’t watch this movie again. I wouldn’t watch it for Bad Beer, Bad Movie because its not even entertaining. It even fails at that. Its an unending trainwreck of somebody who thought it was funny. I have the perfect example of what this movie is like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Wn48geCJ8

This one singular fucking video. An incredibly close friend of mine showed this shit to me once because he thought I would like it. I don’t let him show me videos anymore. Its this shitty type of humor that assholes like. That’s what this movie is aimed at with half the shit. So much of it is “Oh lol so random its funny 'cause its crazy”. But its just bad. Fucking awful. That mario kart video and this piece of shit unentertaining disaster come from the same shit hole of awful people who do stupid shit because they think its funny. Both should stop.

(I’m still slightly tempted to watch the horrible video above, but I’ll continue to resist its siren call given I know that it is but a rock of stupidity.)

Anyway, since I figure I should try to be constructive if I’m bumping a thread, I quickly checked IMDb for the Weekend Box Office and this movie took an even harder hit than I thought even it still made more money that I thought it would (read: should) this past weekend of July 22 to July 24:

  1. Star Trek Beyond – Weekend = $59.3M – Domestic Gross = $59.3M – Weeks Out = 1
  2. The Secret Life of Pets – Weekend = $29.6M – Domestic Gross = $261.0M – Weeks Out = 3
  3. Lights Out – Weekend = $21.7M – Domestic Gross = $21.7M – Weeks Out = 1
  4. Ice Age: Collision Course – Weekend = $21.4M – Domestic Gross = $21.4M – Weeks Out = 1
  5. Ghostbusters (2016) – Weekend = $21.0M – Domestic Gross = $86.3M – Weeks Out = 2

I honestly didn’t think it would not only lose–if barely–to the umpteeth Ice Age movie, but also to Lights Out given how difficult it is for horror movies, especially non-franchise horror movies, to appeal to the mainstream. This movie certainly deserves to lose, mind you, but I didn’t expect it. At this rate, I doubt it will even break “even” with its production costs–or whatever the proper term is–of $140-$160M domestically within the next month unless it has some weird resurgence this weekend, especially since after this weekend Suicide Squad will also be out alongside Star Trek Beyond and The Secrets Life of Pets to help crush this. By Hades, even this weekend it’s basically already doomed given Bad Moms alone looks like it does what was this movie was supposedly aiming to do far better: raucous slapstick comedy with female leads; that the umpteenth–ugh–Jason Bourne is also coming out this weekend is just flaming icing on the doom cake.

:rofl: The self-imposed wait was worth it. Maybe your sacrifice wasn’t senseless, if only because of the sheer schadenfreude here.

…Nah, it wasn’t, if only because you added to the domestic gross of this. Tell me you at least paid matinee for this garbage, Pertho.

Anyway, I’m gladly blame Paul Feig. I mean, I’ve been doing that from the beginning. Just like I’ve been saying that, for the most part, this movie probably does nothing but hurt actually intelligent women in the long-run, especially since it looks to be bombing as it should since even the majority of the positive reviews talk about predominantly about its mediocrity and wasted potential. Such a damn shame.

That said, I’m still curious of one thing, @Pertho: Just how devoid of horror elements was this movie, especially compared to the actual Ghostbusters?

@“The Damned” every now and again, humanity does just enough to remind you that we aren’t all completely screwed… yet.

(Ah, almost forgot to update this thread before it likely dies for good, just like the movie it’s about.)

So, in keeping with what I said above about keeping track of this movie’s box office numbers until at least the end of July, I’m going to report what IMDb put for this weekend’s gains of July 29 to July 31:

  1. Jason Bourne (2016) – Weekend = $59.2M – Domestic Gross = $59.2M – Weeks Out = 1
  2. Star Trek Beyond – Weekend = $24.8M – Domestic Gross = $106.5M – Weeks Out = 2
  3. Bad Moms – Weekend = $23.8M – Domestic Gross = $23.8M – Weeks Out = 1
  4. The Secret Life of Pets – Weekend = $18.9M – Domestic Gross = $296.9M – Weeks Out = 4
  5. Ice Age: Collision Course – Weekend = $11.0M – Domestic Gross = $42.6M – Weeks Out = 2
  6. Lights Out – Weekend = $10.8M – Domestic Gross = $42.9M – Weeks Out = 2
  7. Ghostbusters (2016) – Weekend = $10.1M – Domestic Gross = $106.5M – Weeks Out = 3
  8. Nerve – Weekend = $9.4M – Domestic Gross = $15.5M – Weeks Out = 1
  9. Finding Dory – Weekend = $4.3M – Domestic Gross = $469.1M – Weeks Out = 7
  10. The Legend of Tarzan – Weekend = $2.5M – Domestic Gross = $121.9M – Weeks Out = 5

It seems I was right with my initial prediction that even with all the undue attention given to this travesty of a movie it wouldn’t break even before July was over. At this rate, it might indeed not break even domestically before August is over, if it’s even in theaters for all of August. No way in hell is going to make back $200M domestically at this rate, much less $400M; that’s good since I wanted to laugh at Feig and McCarthy’s failure after all of the bullshit they’ve said.

That said, it’s a shame that this cinematic abortion of idiocy likely does far more harm to ( women getting roles as leading, non-love-interest protagonists in movies, especially since it was built up by fools as some type of salvific film vehicle for the oft-empty words of “equality” and “female empowerment”…like women have never ever been protagonists before. Much like Spy’s supposed self-sabotage, this somewhat undermined its own message from the get-go anyway since it very much isn’t a serious film to begin with, which are arguably the roles that women have more of an issue with being the leads in; this even if, yes, there are doubtless comparatively fewer comedies with women as headliners than men, which is especially unfortunate given that majority of the recent ones have arguably been too heavily politicized to be actually good.

Still, anyone with eyes who wasn’t deceiving themselves had seen the writing on the walls months ago, so it’s whatever. Not even “empowering” little girls is that much of a victory given that these hardly the first women in the Ghostbusters franchise, though I’ll admit that the existent women could have definitely stood to be promoted more if possible.

Oh well. Maybe both Bad Moms and Rogue One will undo some of the damage on along these lines after this has faded into the dust where it belongs.

Not really. It’s pretty arguable that Ghostbusters (2016) would have done well even despite being a terrible movie if it just opened either earlier or later instead of trying to compete against actual “summer blockbusters”. Didn’t it release date get pushed back or am I just imagining that?

Either way, faith in humanity? Pfft. I’m tempted to use a Joker gif just to get the point across.

@Pertho That Mario Kart video was kinda funny actually, you under estimate the human desire to see childhood nostalgia juxtaposed with more “Adult” sensibilities:

(patiently awaits orochizoolander getting banned for staying that video was funny)

Oh, I forgot to say one thing above: Personally, I’ll find it interesting seeing what money Bad Moms makes as SJW Ghostbusters doubtless continues to ascend into the monetary abyss given Bad Moms is basically everything that SJW Ghostbusters claims it wants to be and has an actual message beyond “WOWZERS, women can also be Ghostbusters (in name only)?! I never knew (even though female Ghostbusters already existed)!”

That said, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn if SJWs don’t support Bad Moms–they’re probably actively against it for whatever reason.

Ghostbusters International 7 preview:

While Ray, Peter, Winston, and Kylie are ghost hunting in Ireland, Egon remains in New York and finally gets to the bottom of a mystery he’s been chasing since college… about a powerful Scandinavian spell book. That’s right, Egon gets all the answers… and he may wish he hadn’t.

The preview pages are in the link here:
comicbookresources.com/comic-previews/ghostbusters-international-7-idw-2016

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