"Get Ready...Survive!" The New Garou: Mark of the Wolves Thread

Vectorman · April 19, 2009, 7:00am

Always wondered this. But can Freeman break/cancel any of his specials like the rest of the cast?

Shady424 · April 19, 2009, 7:03am

Nocturnal:

Well the first thing you should probably do is check for any patterns the player is doing with Jenet. The next thing also is what do you do with Kain as far as your main game plan with him? The thing with Jenet’s block strings is there are openings. The only hard part is to know when you can escape or counter. If the Jenet is a good at keeping you trapped in the corner pay attention to the strings he uses. Usually there is a window to be able to JD again if they go from her normals to dive kick. I wouldn’t do a backdash in that situation because Jenet’s dive kick sequence can still come out without hitting you. Talking about mainly when you are trapped in the corner. Jenet is really strong in the corner and can be hard to get out if the player knows how to keep you there.

I think in this match up Kain has to really keep Jenet on her toes or keep her away as much as possible. At the same time don’t put yourself in a position where you end up getting closer to a corner. If anything put her in the corner or position yourself so you can get back to the center of stage, to keep her from locking you down. If you lock her down or keep her away from you Kain shouldh have the advantage. Also if you land a counter hit on Jenet it gives Kain a chance to land good damage. If you land a bounce counter hit on Jenet you have a chance to use her hit bug because Kain can follow up with :d: + :snka: + :snkb: then :snkc: into super/TOP attack/Specials, etc. That only works on Jenet off a counter hit cause of her weird hitbox bug.

If the player is good with JDing/GCing then you have to mix up throws every now and then. You can’t just rely on attacking all the time sometimes you have to change things up or you’ll get preditable. Not much else I can really say besides what I already posted. Again just pay attention to any patterns and figure out ways to punish those patterns.

Thanks, I’ll keep an eye out next time. My style Kain is kinda… balanced as far as offence and defense. I can play it safe and rush down pretty well, but Jenet always gave me problems. I saw that hitbox bug with Jenet in one of your vids, I’ll try using it. Thanks again.

Tizoc · April 19, 2009, 7:36am

Freeman can only Break his :hcf:+:k: if it grabs an opponent.
The range on it is a bit tricky-
:snkb: ver. will grab an opponent is VERY close to Freeman, we’re talking a range similar to Tizoc’s 360+:snkc:
:snkd: ver. will grab them from a distance. This distance between him and the opponent is equivalent to the width of a character sprite. I’ll need to check if you can grab them from a backdashing distance.

Here’s a little set-up for the :snkd: ver.-
Do a Standing :snkc: that hits or gets blocked then immediately cancel it into :hcf:+:snkd:
Freeman should grab them. So what you do is Standing :snkc:xx:hcf:+:snkd:

If you want a good chance at it breaking press :snka::snkb: twice when he grabs them.
The best combos you can do after Breaking it are-
St. :snkc:-Feint->Cr. :snkc:xx:qcf::qcf:+:snka:
St. :snkc: or Cr. :snkc:xx :qcb:+:snka: x3

I’ll test what you can also do at the corner.

Oh and before I forget: Freeman’s HCF+K will NOT grab a Crouching opponent nor a Cornered opponent.

Vectorman · April 19, 2009, 8:16am

Oh okay. I was thinking that because I did it a few times and wasn’t sure if it would be considered a cancel or not. Thanks.

Diavle · April 19, 2009, 8:59am

Started using Marco, so far so good.

His f+A overhead is godly, piss easy to hit confirm and gives you like forever to follow up with a DM or whatever. Kinda reminds me of Dudley’s, but better.

His DP break timing seems a lot stricter than of the other characters.

Does he have any good low combos aside from cr.B> DM?

Even better, can’t wait.

Omerta · April 19, 2009, 9:30am

His best low BnB is cr. :snkb: linked (not canceled) into his :dp: :snkc: (break) :qcf: :snkc: (or super)

And yes, the timing on his dp break is really strict, especially on wiff.

Giby · April 19, 2009, 10:46am

Timing is strict on whiff, but for some retarded reason, its the easiest move to break on hit or block when doing strings or combos.

Omerta, you still get on GGPO or 2df?

Diavle · April 19, 2009, 11:23am

Thanks but I don’t think I can use it, can’t get the break timing down.

I was hoping for something quick and safe for dash evasion.

Doesn’t look like it, I can break Terry/Jae/Jenet/Dong etc all day but not Marco.

Giby · April 19, 2009, 12:30pm

do a sC, into dp and break it, its easy as hell like that, even if you do it when they guard. If you whiff or just do the dp by itself, its a pain.

Tizoc · April 19, 2009, 3:00pm

Your welcome, BTW about the corner combos for after Breaking his HCF+K, what I supposed to say was if you got cornered and did the move and it grabbed them, and I found this extra possible one-
St. C-Feint->Cr. C–>QCB+C x3
Do it really fast BTW or some hits will miss.

Oh and you can do-
QCB+C, QCB+A, QCB+A or C
The 2nd QCB+A hits low, whereas the C ver. doesn’t

The first QCB+C has a longer range than the A ver. but is a little slower than it.
The first QCB+A has a faster start-up, but shorter range than the C ver.

@Diavle- I actually found a way to Break Butt’s :dp:+:p: easily (to me at least).
Hold :df: then Break it and chances are 50% of the time it’ll Break. Try it out like 10 times to see what I mean.

Also with Butt, if his Far St. :snkd: gets block it’s cancelable. So you could do Far :snkd:xx:qcb:+:snka: or :snkb: to get in close.

Diavle · April 19, 2009, 11:02pm

You’re right, it is easier when done in a combo.

WTF holding df guarantees the damn thing, I just did six standalone DP breaks in a row with zero practice. Guess I will be able to whore Omerta’s combo now hehe.

Oh nice, I will be able to use his far st. D like Terry’s cr. D in kof then.

Thanks man.

Nocturnal · April 19, 2009, 11:55pm

I actually find it easier to do Marco’s :dp: breaks when putting the stick on neutral then pressing :snka:+:snkb:.

Diavle · April 20, 2009, 12:08am

Dunno man, that’s how I did it before and had an extremely low success rate but now its over 90%. I went back and tried other characters with DP breaks (Terry, Dong, Gato etc) and it works better with them too. I don’t know if its my keyboard or not but this method is a godsend.

Nocturnal · April 20, 2009, 1:35am

Well whatever works for you is what matters.

Tizoc · April 20, 2009, 7:55am

So after some testing I found that, this Hotaru corner combo-
Jumping A, C–>Down+ABxxQCB+B, Break–>TOP Attack–>Kick super
Doesn’t work on account of the Down+AB not pushing you back a few pixels for the TOP Attack to juggle them high enough, so that Hotaru recovers earlier to get the super to combo.

Nocturnal · April 20, 2009, 12:01pm

There isn’t a point to doing it in the first place because a :d: + :snkc: does about the same damage as a :d: + :snka: + :snkb:.

Tizoc · April 20, 2009, 2:59pm

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell…
Hotaru’s :d:+:snka::snkb: does 1 point of damage more than :d:+:snkc: ^_^;;;, but I get what you mean.

Phoenix_Azure · April 21, 2009, 10:05am

Some good news guys.

At the Microsoft Conference in Japan.

Garou: Mark of the Wolves will be coming to XBL at 2010 (along with 2k2um)

pplcallmeGOD · April 21, 2009, 10:56am

Actually Garou is coming out this summer. 2002UM is the one coming out next year.

the_judge · April 21, 2009, 11:04am

wtf, we gotta wait that long?
Atleast that will bump the scene more considering I just got the game and I’m still learning it. Until I get a new stick and some comp it’s pointless right now.

So what, is this SNK’s plan to market their games on the big consoles? Should help the scene.